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Old 06-29-2009, 08:13 PM   #31
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Wet (curb) weight of the street-legal 2009 KTM 530 EXCR is 257 lbs. [Source: Dirt Bike Magazine, April 2009, Page 25] The off-road only 450 & 530 XC-W are even lighter.
So you say. You might be right. Dirt Bike might have accidently weighed a bike correctly. It has happended on rare occasions. Forgive me if I can't see how KTM dropped 20 lbs between the 2007 and 2008 EXCR models.
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:18 PM   #32
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i'm gonna have to start saving... this is everything a DRZ owner could ever dream of having! its exactly what drzers have been wanting since the drz came out! look at every thread in every forum about what would make the drz better and this has everything, FI, 450bore, and light as a 450 mxer(just no fricken 6speed) this bike is brilliant!!!! I wouldn't be surprised if this was a rebadged kawi as suzuki as we all know has a history of teaming up with them to make bikes
The "teaming up" of Suzuki and Kawi happened only for a year or two and has been completely dissolved with no plans to share any more platforms.

The Suzuki and Kawi MX bikes are totally different.
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:21 PM   #33
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So you say. You might be right. Dirt Bike might have accidently weighed a bike correctly. It has happended on rare occasions. Forgive me if I can't see how KTM dropped 20 lbs between the 2007 and 2008 EXCR models.
Entirely new engines, frames, plastics, wheels, swingarm, hubs, etc.

2007:


2008:


That's how.
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:28 PM   #34
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Nonsense. There are different rules for manufacturers selling less than 3,000 units in the US, regardless of global sales, different rules for a person making a custom bike for himself, different rules for up to 24 "show and display" motorcycles and endless variations in the form of hardship provisions, in which a manufacturer can gain a three-year exemption from current rules by demonstrating they have done the best they can and that compliance would affect the company's solvency.

http://www.aimag.com/epa/Nov04-pt2.htm
http://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/roadbike...-regs-pres.pdf
This is exactly to what I was referring to earlier. Thanks for the update and links Montesa VR !

Although if the Japanese OEM's have their way .... KTM and Husky's special dispensations may go away .... or Maybe? .... they already have? I have not followed this closely for a while.

I spoke with Suzuki's Mel Harris (Am. Suzuki CEO) about this 3 years ago and he mentioned his companies displeasure regards the advantage KTM (and other small producers) had in this regard .... specifically with their street legal dirt bikes. CARB (California) has even more rules and sadly, the EPA now use CARB as a kind of guideline organization for enacting future pollution control law that can affect the whole country. (God help us poor dirt riders!)
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:36 PM   #35
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Do you have this in writing or some kind of proof? I am not arguing or disagreeing but I would love to know that Honda and Yamaha are trying to change this. Just wanting a good offroad dual sport from the factory.
I haven't followed the issue in while (see my earlier post). I've seen information on this subject posted in Dealer News and on the MIC (Motorcycle Industry Council web site.

We may never see a good off road, street legal dual sport from the Japanese.
Suzuki promised one years ago and I think this RMZ-X is it. But no plate, and probably won't get one.

I just learned about the Alu gas tank. Hopefully a plastic aftermarket tank can be substituted. But what about the fuel pump? Could be a dealer breaker, bad for Suzuki. Hopefully the aftermarket can solve this without producing a product costing an Arm and Leg ??
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:46 AM   #36
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I just learned about the Alu gas tank. Hopefully a plastic aftermarket tank can be substituted. But what about the fuel pump? Could be a dealer breaker, bad for Suzuki. Hopefully the aftermarket can solve this without producing a product costing an Arm and Leg ??
Don't see that being any issue at all. Like I said before, my KXF 450 has the internal fuel pump and IMS makes a tank for it. Doesn't take any longer to switch out the fuel pump then it does to switch out a petcock. You're sweating over nothing. If they see a market in selling bigger tanks for MX bikes, then I have a feeling they will see an even bigger market for an Enduro bike.
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Old 07-01-2009, 05:54 PM   #37
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It does not have a plate not worth a dime. Japan Inc. has to step up to the plate. Riding areas are going away fast best way to have a ride in New England is to have a plate to connect trails and roads. Look around New England and it is a sea of orange. Why, you can put a plate on them.I do not care what you say about epa this and that Japan inc. is a sleep at the wheel.
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:57 PM   #38
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It does not have a plate not worth a dime. Japan Inc. has to step up to the plate. Riding areas are going away fast best way to have a ride in New England is to have a plate to connect trails and roads. Look around New England and it is a sea of orange. Why, you can put a plate on them.I do not care what you say about epa this and that Japan inc. is a sleep at the wheel.
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Old 07-03-2009, 10:46 PM   #39
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Don't see that being any issue at all. Like I said before, my KXF 450 has the internal fuel pump and IMS makes a tank for it. Doesn't take any longer to switch out the fuel pump then it does to switch out a petcock. You're sweating over nothing. If they see a market in selling bigger tanks for MX bikes, then I have a feeling they will see an even bigger market for an Enduro bike.
Hey Albie, why do you suppose Suzuki are using an expensive Aluminum tank in the first place? I have a feeling there is a good reason for it ??
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:30 PM   #40
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Hey Albie, why do you suppose Suzuki are using an expensive Aluminum tank in the first place? I have a feeling there is a good reason for it ??
What, as opposed to STEEL gas tanks that come on all the Suzuki dual sport bikes or plastic ones on the off road only bikes.? Good reason, what's the good reason for making it 1.6 gallons?
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:36 AM   #41
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The US Suzuki website is finally showing the 2010 RMX450Z.

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%...ory=off%20road

Is it me or do those vent holes in each side of the air box look like they could be a problematic in deep water?

Also, apparently the aluminum tank has the fuel pump inside of it (to pressurize it)...might make aftermarket tanks difficult to make or more expensive than usual.

So why aluminum as some earlier post ask?...it's lighter than steel and less flexible under pressure than plastic I would assume.


Edit: actually got a closer look at the holes in the air box and they are just cosmetic. The seal on the hinged side is below the hole.

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Old 12-06-2009, 10:33 AM   #42
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My guess is you are really looking at the work of the Yoshimura team and the leadership of Don Sakakura and the riding abilities of Mat Mladin and Ben Spies when it comes to AMA racing. He runs a tight ship where winning is a tradition.
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Old 12-07-2009, 08:38 PM   #43
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Was on Just Tanks site and found this. but no mention of the capacity. Anyone have the skinny on the largest capacity for this bike? And will it mate up to the 2008-2009 RMZ450?

http://www.justgastanks.com/store/in...oducts_id=1205
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:22 PM   #44
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Hey Albie, why do you suppose Suzuki are using an expensive Aluminum tank in the first place? I have a feeling there is a good reason for it ??
from what i've read about the tank on the mx bike is that suzuki pressurizes their tanks in such a way that suzuki felt alum. was needed???
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:26 PM   #45
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It does not have a plate not worth a dime. Japan Inc. has to step up to the plate. Riding areas are going away fast best way to have a ride in New England is to have a plate to connect trails and roads. Look around New England and it is a sea of orange. Why, you can put a plate on them.I do not care what you say about epa this and that Japan inc. is a sleep at the wheel.
move to colorado and all your plate issues go away.
infact move to az & it's even easier.
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