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Old 07-18-2009, 06:56 PM   #31
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I've never attended a NASCAR race, but I've been to F1, CART, ALMS, WRC, Trans-Am, historics, etc.

I'd like to see a world of outlaws event too. 900HP beasts, driftin' and poppin' wheelies and divebombing and all that. Very cool race series.
I used to go to the super modified races every week at the Santa Clara Co fairgrounds. This was in the '80's.
Those cars were wild.

Since then, it seems like a lot of the sideways action has been dialed out of Sprint Car racing.
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:00 PM   #32
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Okay.

Contact.
Rubbin' is racin'! Yeeeeeeehaw!!!! I'm here to see the "the big one"!!??!?
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:07 PM   #33
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I used to go to the super modified races every week at the Santa Clara Co fairgrounds. This was in the '80's.
Those cars were wild.

Since then, it seems like a lot of the sideways action has been dialed out of Sprint Car racing.
Sweet!

It's been dialed out of F1 for a long time...




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Old 07-18-2009, 07:10 PM   #34
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And CART too

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Sweet!

It's been dialed out of F1 for a long time...




I don't get it, you say you are interested in seeing an outlaw (sprint car) racing event and I opine that the cars don't get sideways like they used to.
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I think the point is that you can have much more contact in stock car racing as opposed to open wheel racing without wrecking
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Actually I do still see Indycar and F1 flog the cars into and out of the corners with a bit of attitude. It's just hard to pick out.
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:17 PM   #38
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I don't get it, you say you are interested in seeing an outlaw (sprint car) racing event and I opine that the cars don't get sideways like they used to.
I wanna see them on dirt and there they still get sideways.

But yeah, you don't see oversteer like you used to in all forms of racing. I believe it's due to tyre technology, slip angles and aero load. But it is still there, just not as pronounced.
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I think the point is that you can have much more contact in stock car racing as opposed to open wheel racing without wrecking
ALMS and Touring cars guys rough each other some too. Open wheel contact is courtin' disaster. I was there when Jeff Krosnoff and Gary Avrin were killed in Toronto. I don't need to see contact in open wheel racing for it to be exciting.


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Since then, it seems like a lot of the sideways action has been dialed out of Sprint Car racing.

I see my share of tail-out action during NASCAR races. Maybe some of you guys just need bigger TV's.

People piss and moan about Nascar. I'm sure some dope will make the Skittles in a toilet reference shortly, but if you look closely you'll see it's a very fine line between in and out of control in those cars.
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I've seen lots of great racing and passing in F1 in the past couple of seasons.
Not for the lead, you didn't.

When the sport establishes a committee to make passing easier, you know it has a problem. No-one in F1 denies that passing is almost impossible.

Inferior cars hold up faster cars every single race. It's absurd. Win the pole, win Turn 1 and barring a mishap you'll almost always win the race. That leaves two hours of
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Passing on ovals is always going to be more plentiful than on a road course. I saw lots of passing at the Toronto Indycar race last weekend.
Indy car drivers apologized to fans after the Richmond race this year.

Why?

Because no-one could make a pass. On a fucking oval.
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I spent 5 years in Germany and went to F1 races but after the first corner they basically were parades. This season has been refreshing though.
It would have been refreshing had the FIA not approved the Brawn double decker diffusers.

It's generally agreed that since the FIA approved them mid-season, and the big teams adopted them, passing became as difficult as in previous years.

All that time, all that money redesigning F1 cars specifically to make passing easier... and they still can't.
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Actually I do still see Indycar and F1 flog the cars into and out of the corners with a bit of attitude. It's just hard to pick out.
Since F1 killed traction control a couple of years ago, the cars definitely step out more. It's cool.
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I definitely need a bigger TV.
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