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Old 07-19-2009, 04:35 PM   #46
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Since F1 killed traction control a couple of years ago, the cars definitely step out more. It's cool.
It's still more like a parade than a race. And I wish they would bring back the V10. That motor sounded sick!
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Old 07-19-2009, 04:37 PM   #47
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It's still more like a parade than a race.
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Old 07-19-2009, 08:12 PM   #48
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Not for the lead, you didn't.

When the sport establishes a committee to make passing easier, you know it has a problem. No-one in F1 denies that passing is almost impossible.

Inferior cars hold up faster cars every single race. It's absurd. Win the pole, win Turn 1 and barring a mishap you'll almost always win the race. That leaves two hours of
How many different teams have won a race in the last two seasons? Six, seven? How close is the field today compared to 10 years ago? Inferior cars are one second slower, maybe two seconds unless they are carrying different fuel loads, different tires, damage, etc.
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Old 07-19-2009, 08:13 PM   #49
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Indy car drivers apologized to fans after the Richmond race this year.

Why?

Because no-one could make a pass. On a fucking oval.
Exception that proves the rule?

(yeah I know that's weak, bring back the Handford device... )
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Old 07-19-2009, 09:10 PM   #50
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How many different teams have won a race in the last two seasons? Six, seven? How close is the field today compared to 10 years ago? Inferior cars are one second slower, maybe two seconds unless they are carrying different fuel loads, different tires, damage, etc.
First of all, you're including a lot of rain races from last year and a couple from this year. Throw those out and suddenly the winner's circle isn't as diverse.

Secondly, only two teams were in it last year. Same this year.

Third, how is it exciting if there's only a one second difference between the best and worst qualifiers? From a racing perspective, the only benefit is that Q1 and Q2 are more exciting. Great. All those expensive rules changes made qualifying more exciting. Super. By the way, that's a one year aberration. Next year, assuming the rules don't change much, the wild card benefit of a major rules change will have been played and will be gone.

Fourth, we were talking about passing. You too. I notice you dropped that part of the discussion in this post.
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Old 07-19-2009, 09:11 PM   #51
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Exception that proves the rule?

(yeah I know that's weak, bring back the Handford device... )
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Old 07-19-2009, 11:07 PM   #52
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First of all, you're including a lot of rain races from last year and a couple from this year. Throw those out and suddenly the winner's circle isn't as diverse.

Secondly, only two teams were in it last year. Same this year.

Third, how is it exciting if there's only a one second difference between the best and worst qualifiers? From a racing perspective, the only benefit is that Q1 and Q2 are more exciting. Great. All those expensive rules changes made qualifying more exciting. Super. By the way, that's a one year aberration. Next year, assuming the rules don't change much, the wild card benefit of a major rules change will have been played and will be gone.

Fourth, we were talking about passing. You too. I notice you dropped that part of the discussion in this post.
Firstly, apart from the McLaren and Ferrari crew, Vettel, Alonso and Kubica all won last year. Weather plays a part every weekend, some cars/drivers cope with temp changes and precipitation better than others and it detracts not one single bit from any drivers' victory. And IIRC only Vettel's win was somewhat rain related, but he was fast in the dry that day too.

Secondly BMW were not also-rans in 2008. Kubica had a lot of podiums and was in title contention for much of the season. Renault picked up two wins, not a fluke. And for 2009 you can't write off teams like McLaren, Ferrari and Renault for race wins. I wouldn't bet against Williams taking a win either. It's a very competative field.

Thirdly, the tightness of the grid is indicative of how close the teams are to each other now. I remember when backmarkers struggled to be within 7-10 seconds of pole. I mentioned the closeness of the field as an explanation for why you don't see lots of easy passes. No one is that much better that it makes it easy for them to pass.

Fourthly, F1 has never had a lot of passing, and I don't believe it needs to make passing easy in order to attract fans. A pass should be hard. It's more meaningful that way. A paucity of passing does not equate to a lack of excitement. Just as in soccer where a lack of goals doesn't necessarily make for a boring game.

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Old 07-20-2009, 01:26 AM   #53
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Fourthly, F1 has never had a lot of passing, and I don't believe it needs to make passing easy in order to attract fans.
That's not what the fans say.

Or haven't you yet figured out why teams were willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to redesign the cars this year?

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Old 07-20-2009, 02:43 AM   #54
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Go faster.
Turn left.
Go faster.
Brake.
Go faster.
Turn left.


Thrilling.
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Old 07-20-2009, 04:07 AM   #55
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Go faster.
Turn left.
Go faster.
Brake.
Go faster.
Turn left.


Thrilling.
Have you ever attended a short track stock car event?
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Old 07-20-2009, 04:22 AM   #56
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Have you ever attended a short track stock car event?
Hubba. We ran 1/2 mile dirt as a kid - still miss it
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:09 AM   #57
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That's not what the fans say.

Or haven't you yet figured out why teams were willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to redesign the cars this year?

I'm a fan. I know of many others like me.

They redesign the chassis every year. What extra cost was involved?
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Go faster.
Turn left.
Go faster.
Brake.
Go faster.
Turn left.


Thrilling.
Hit the little white ball into the little hole, thrilling.
Carry the brownskinned egg over across an imaginary plane, spectacular.
Throw a pumpkin into a fruitbasket.
Run for a really long distance.
Kick a ball past a goalie.
Two men with padded gloves slap each other and hug.
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Hit the little white ball into the little hole, thrilling.
Carry the brownskinned egg over across an imaginary plane, spectacular.
Throw a pumpkin into a fruitbasket.
Run for a really long distance.
Kick a ball past a goalie.
Two men with padded gloves slap each other and hug.
Some of the people that make that comment seem to think that it takes more talent to turn right than left. I'm pretty sure these guys that do so well on the left turns could get a handle on rights as well. I think the idea of the oval was to keep the action close to the spectators, so that wherever the cars are, spectators (the ones that make this financially possible) can see them.
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:36 AM   #60
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I prefer the road courses, but oval racing can be entertaining sometimes.

They should have never limited speeds on the ovals.
Wouldn't it be more enjoyable for fans and drivers without restrictor plates?

I understand about keeping the sport somewhat safer.
But its racing for fucks sake, the drive to go faster, set lap records, etc, etc.

Bummer announced last month for Dakar:
Yesterday, the organizers of the Dakar Rally announced that the motorcycle portion of the annual event would consist of 450cc
motorcycles beginning in 2010 with a grace period of one year in which the bigger bikes could still be used with restrictors.
Today, KTM (the winner of the last eight Dakar Rallies) announced that they were withdrawing their efforts from the race.
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