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MikeinSA · 03-07-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NC-Okie

Pretty well how I feel. I agree Carl needs to sit on the sidelines at least 2 races, but he won't. It will be interesting to see how Jack Roush handles it.

Two races is right. And I agree, it won't happen. There's going to be a fine and probation until Christmas - they usual. The bigger problem, for me anyway, is that it changed the outcome of the race. A lot of good cars ended up in the garage after the first restart as a result of the incident (Martin). I don't remember where I heard it, but years ago I think there was an unwritten rule against retaliating at Atlanta. Paybacks were put on hold until Bristol.

NC-Okie · 03-07-2010, 03:16 PM

Carl has enjoyed his "Golden Boy" Image long enough. No matter if NASCAR does anything or not that image has changed as of today. It isn't as he just Rattled his Cage as Earnhardt used to say he nearly sent him into the stands!

Human Ills · 03-07-2010, 05:21 PM

NASCAR looking closely into incident of 'retaliation'
Edwards could face additional punishment for flipping BK
By Joe Menzer, NASCAR.COM
March 7, 2010
08:12 PM EST
type size: + -
HAMPTON, Ga. -- Brad Keselowski called for fellow Sprint Cup driver Carl Edwards to be suspended for at least one race after Edwards wrecked him Sunday in the Kobalt Tools 500 at Atlanta Motor Speedway.

But Robin Pemberton, vice president of competition for NASCAR, said the governing body would take its time in examining all the facts before deciding what to do with Edwards, whose No. 99 Roush Fenway Ford was ordered to the garage after wrecking the No. 12 of Keselowski and sending it airborne on the frontstretch on Lap 323 of what was a scheduled 325-lap event. Pemberton and other NASCAR officials, including president Mike Helton, met with Edwards following Sunday's race -- but Pemberton said they would discuss the incident further "internally" on Monday and Tuesday before announcing any additional penalties for Edwards by late Tuesday afternoon.

The history

Talladega 2009
Brad Keselowski wins and sends Carl Edwards for a ride.

Watch
Atlanta 2010, Part 1
Edwards goes up the track after a tap from Keselowski.

Watch
Atlanta 2010, Part 2
Edwards returns to the track and takes out Keselowski.

Watch

Now what?
“
... we will discuss it further ... We don't rush to judgment on Sunday nights and make penalties.
”
-- ROBIN PEMBERTON
"It looked like it could have been a payback from the No. 99 on the No. 12," Pemberton said.

The two drivers have a muddled past, with Keselowski having turned Edwards and sent his car airborne and into the catchfence at Talladega Superspeedway last spring as they both raced for a win. Edwards said after that incident that it was at least partially his fault for coming down on Keselowski, and that Keselowski merely did what he had to do to win the race. Edwards seemed to blame the horrific wreck, which caused some injuries to fans in the stands, more on restrictor-plate racing than the driving of Keselowski.

But then the two drivers added to their history of getting together earlier during Sunday's race when they bumped on Lap 41 and Edwards ended up getting shoved into the No. 20 Toyota of Joey Logano, effectively ruining both of their days.

Keselowski, meanwhile, drove away from that incident and went on to put together a solid run for the day while Edwards spent much of the afternoon having his car repaired in the garage. Edwards returned to the track on Lap 190 after spending 150 laps in the garage, and appeared to purposely wreck Keselowski when Keselowski appeared headed for a top-five finish.

"To come back and intentionally wreck someone, that's not cool," Keselowski said. "You could have killed someone in the grandstands. I know that it's a little ironic that it's me saying that, but at least I didn't do it intentionally [when it happened at Talladega].

"It will be interesting to see how NASCAR reacts to it. They have the ball. If they're going to allow people to intentionally wreck each other at tracks this fast, we will hurt someone either in the cars or in the grandstands. It's not cool to wreck someone at 195 mph."

Pemberton indicated that Edwards more or less admitted in the post-race meeting with NASCAR officials that he intended to wreck Keselowski, but that he did not mean to send him airborne. Keselowski's car ended up landing upside down, nearly crushing in the driver's side of the roof, and was completely destroyed in the aftermath.

Keselowski was shaken up after the wreck and needed assistance getting removed from the car, but eventually was cleared at the AMS infield care center.

"Carl said he got into him; he said he didn't expect the result," Pemberton said.

Earlier, Edwards spoke briefly with the media and attempted to explain his thinking.

"Brad knows the deal between him and I," Edwards said. "The scary part was his car went airborne, which was not at all what I expected. At the end of the day, we're out here to race and people have to have respect for one another and I have a lot of respect for people's safety.

"I wish it wouldn't have gone like it did, but I'm glad he's OK and we'll just go on and race some more and maybe him and I won't get in any more incidents together. That would be the best thing."

Keselowski told reporters that he believed Edwards took "three swipes" at him before connecting, and that Edwards deserves to be suspended for at least one race. He also defended what had occurred during their first incident Sunday.

"He cut down on me on a restart and I lifted; I couldn't lift fast enough for him," Keselowski said. "I lifted for him to let him in, but I was there. I don't know what more you can do.

"[Keep the] car low, that's what they say. So I was underneath him, tried to cut him a break. It was too late, though; he turned down. I apologized to him, but there was nothing that I could do in that situation."

Naturally, Edwards didn't see the first incident quite the same way.

"We were on the restart and I was going for the bottom. I knew Brad was peeking inside, but I thought he'd give me just a little bit of room and he didn't and we ended up overlapping," Edwards said.

"I had it saved and I guess I got into the 20 car at the very top of the race track. I didn't see that part of it, but it's so frustrating for a number of reasons, most of which is that I love racing here. ... I know Brad has made his career on being super-aggressive. We both had a part in it and it's not his fault, but it's just a little too aggressive overall, I think, for that early in the race and caused us to wreck."

Asked if he thought there was a connection between Sunday's incidents and what happened last season at Talladega, Pemberton replied: "It was the same two cars, we know that. I would say there seems to be a history between those two drivers. ... It's always a concern when you see retaliation and there are different levels of it. Like I said, we will discuss it further at the [NASCAR Research & Development Center] early this week.

"We don't rush to judgment on Sunday nights and make penalties. That's why we take our time and go back and talk about it some more."

Cumminsman76 · 03-07-2010, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NC-Okie

I guess Carl Edwards is looking for a guest appeareance on Madhouse!

He's been watching too much obviously. Take that damn wing of the back of the car and he would not have gone over.

NC-Okie · 03-07-2010, 05:57 PM

The wing is soon to be gone, Martinsville I believe. There is still some rumors that it will be used at the restrictor plate tracks, but this might prevent NASCAR from running it on them.

Thraan · 03-07-2010, 06:04 PM

I just saw the wreck. It was amazing that the car landed that hard on the roof and didn't kill the driver.

Human Ills · 03-07-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thraan

I just saw the wreck. It was amazing that the car landed that hard on the roof and didn't kill the driver.

Carl was lucky.

Cumminsman76 · 03-07-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thraan

I just saw the wreck. It was amazing that the car landed that hard on the roof and didn't kill the driver.

"Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous?"

z@ch · 03-07-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Human Ills

Carl was lucky.

Yeah, him too.

Human Ills · 03-07-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cumminsman76

"Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous?"

Some of us are under 40

RedRocket · 03-07-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Thraan

I just saw the wreck. It was amazing that the car landed that hard on the roof and didn't kill the driver.

Nah, the roll cages on them trucks are soo strong.

Cumminsman76 · 03-07-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Human Ills

Some of us are under 40

Me too. I just remember seeing it on a Tshirt.

Human Ills · 03-07-2010, 09:05 PM

Remember when T-shirts had stupid slogans on them?

NC-Okie · 03-08-2010, 07:25 AM

Kyle Petty has been pretty vocal about his view on what happened and he probably doesn't hold much weight with NASCAR but it is good to see someone connected with the sport calling for a suspension.

Also I have read that Carl Edwards has been pretty outspoken on his Facebook page, claiming that he had to do something to stop Brad. Wasn't it last year Carl was calling NASCAR to do something before someone was killed? Maybe NASCAR can give Carl sometime extra time to spend with his new baby girl.

Carl made the comment he had a chance to wreck him without involving anyone else. On the Green/White/Checker that followed something like 8 cars were wrecked a direct result of Carl's action.

Human Ills · 03-08-2010, 07:49 AM

I've changed my mind, don't suspend Carl.

Pull his license.

03-07-2010, 03:16 PM	#842
NC-Okie Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Lillington, North Carolina Oddometer: 2,717	Carl has enjoyed his "Golden Boy" Image long enough. No matter if NASCAR does anything or not that image has changed as of today. It isn't as he just Rattled his Cage as Earnhardt used to say he nearly sent him into the stands! __________________ '08 XR650L, '03 XR650L (711cc, It Runs! sort of.) '87 700 Magna, '85 V65 Magna, '84 700 Sabre odds are it will never run again.

03-07-2010, 05:21 PM	#843
Human Ills ^OP Useful Idiom Joined: Oct 2008 Location: here Oddometer: 19,485	From NASCAR.com NASCAR looking closely into incident of 'retaliation' Edwards could face additional punishment for flipping BK By Joe Menzer, NASCAR.COM March 7, 2010 08:12 PM EST type size: + - HAMPTON, Ga. -- Brad Keselowski called for fellow Sprint Cup driver Carl Edwards to be suspended for at least one race after Edwards wrecked him Sunday in the Kobalt Tools 500 at Atlanta Motor Speedway. But Robin Pemberton, vice president of competition for NASCAR, said the governing body would take its time in examining all the facts before deciding what to do with Edwards, whose No. 99 Roush Fenway Ford was ordered to the garage after wrecking the No. 12 of Keselowski and sending it airborne on the frontstretch on Lap 323 of what was a scheduled 325-lap event. Pemberton and other NASCAR officials, including president Mike Helton, met with Edwards following Sunday's race -- but Pemberton said they would discuss the incident further "internally" on Monday and Tuesday before announcing any additional penalties for Edwards by late Tuesday afternoon. The history Talladega 2009 Brad Keselowski wins and sends Carl Edwards for a ride. Watch Atlanta 2010, Part 1 Edwards goes up the track after a tap from Keselowski. Watch Atlanta 2010, Part 2 Edwards returns to the track and takes out Keselowski. Watch Now what? “ ... we will discuss it further ... We don't rush to judgment on Sunday nights and make penalties. ” -- ROBIN PEMBERTON "It looked like it could have been a payback from the No. 99 on the No. 12," Pemberton said. The two drivers have a muddled past, with Keselowski having turned Edwards and sent his car airborne and into the catchfence at Talladega Superspeedway last spring as they both raced for a win. Edwards said after that incident that it was at least partially his fault for coming down on Keselowski, and that Keselowski merely did what he had to do to win the race. Edwards seemed to blame the horrific wreck, which caused some injuries to fans in the stands, more on restrictor-plate racing than the driving of Keselowski. But then the two drivers added to their history of getting together earlier during Sunday's race when they bumped on Lap 41 and Edwards ended up getting shoved into the No. 20 Toyota of Joey Logano, effectively ruining both of their days. Keselowski, meanwhile, drove away from that incident and went on to put together a solid run for the day while Edwards spent much of the afternoon having his car repaired in the garage. Edwards returned to the track on Lap 190 after spending 150 laps in the garage, and appeared to purposely wreck Keselowski when Keselowski appeared headed for a top-five finish. "To come back and intentionally wreck someone, that's not cool," Keselowski said. "You could have killed someone in the grandstands. I know that it's a little ironic that it's me saying that, but at least I didn't do it intentionally [when it happened at Talladega]. "It will be interesting to see how NASCAR reacts to it. They have the ball. If they're going to allow people to intentionally wreck each other at tracks this fast, we will hurt someone either in the cars or in the grandstands. It's not cool to wreck someone at 195 mph." Pemberton indicated that Edwards more or less admitted in the post-race meeting with NASCAR officials that he intended to wreck Keselowski, but that he did not mean to send him airborne. Keselowski's car ended up landing upside down, nearly crushing in the driver's side of the roof, and was completely destroyed in the aftermath. Keselowski was shaken up after the wreck and needed assistance getting removed from the car, but eventually was cleared at the AMS infield care center. "Carl said he got into him; he said he didn't expect the result," Pemberton said. Earlier, Edwards spoke briefly with the media and attempted to explain his thinking. "Brad knows the deal between him and I," Edwards said. "The scary part was his car went airborne, which was not at all what I expected. At the end of the day, we're out here to race and people have to have respect for one another and I have a lot of respect for people's safety. "I wish it wouldn't have gone like it did, but I'm glad he's OK and we'll just go on and race some more and maybe him and I won't get in any more incidents together. That would be the best thing." Keselowski told reporters that he believed Edwards took "three swipes" at him before connecting, and that Edwards deserves to be suspended for at least one race. He also defended what had occurred during their first incident Sunday. "He cut down on me on a restart and I lifted; I couldn't lift fast enough for him," Keselowski said. "I lifted for him to let him in, but I was there. I don't know what more you can do. "[Keep the] car low, that's what they say. So I was underneath him, tried to cut him a break. It was too late, though; he turned down. I apologized to him, but there was nothing that I could do in that situation." Naturally, Edwards didn't see the first incident quite the same way. "We were on the restart and I was going for the bottom. I knew Brad was peeking inside, but I thought he'd give me just a little bit of room and he didn't and we ended up overlapping," Edwards said. "I had it saved and I guess I got into the 20 car at the very top of the race track. I didn't see that part of it, but it's so frustrating for a number of reasons, most of which is that I love racing here. ... I know Brad has made his career on being super-aggressive. We both had a part in it and it's not his fault, but it's just a little too aggressive overall, I think, for that early in the race and caused us to wreck." Asked if he thought there was a connection between Sunday's incidents and what happened last season at Talladega, Pemberton replied: "It was the same two cars, we know that. I would say there seems to be a history between those two drivers. ... It's always a concern when you see retaliation and there are different levels of it. Like I said, we will discuss it further at the [NASCAR Research & Development Center] early this week. "We don't rush to judgment on Sunday nights and make penalties. That's why we take our time and go back and talk about it some more."

03-07-2010, 05:57 PM	#845
NC-Okie Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Lillington, North Carolina Oddometer: 2,717	The wing is soon to be gone, Martinsville I believe. There is still some rumors that it will be used at the restrictor plate tracks, but this might prevent NASCAR from running it on them. __________________ '08 XR650L, '03 XR650L (711cc, It Runs! sort of.) '87 700 Magna, '85 V65 Magna, '84 700 Sabre odds are it will never run again.

03-07-2010, 06:04 PM	#846
Thraan Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2006 Location: Bayview Village Oddometer: 22,924	I just saw the wreck. It was amazing that the car landed that hard on the roof and didn't kill the driver. __________________ Work is the curse of the drinking classes - Wilde

03-08-2010, 07:25 AM	#854
NC-Okie Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Lillington, North Carolina Oddometer: 2,717	Kyle Petty has been pretty vocal about his view on what happened and he probably doesn't hold much weight with NASCAR but it is good to see someone connected with the sport calling for a suspension. Also I have read that Carl Edwards has been pretty outspoken on his Facebook page, claiming that he had to do something to stop Brad. Wasn't it last year Carl was calling NASCAR to do something before someone was killed? Maybe NASCAR can give Carl sometime extra time to spend with his new baby girl. Carl made the comment he had a chance to wreck him without involving anyone else. On the Green/White/Checker that followed something like 8 cars were wrecked a direct result of Carl's action. __________________ '08 XR650L, '03 XR650L (711cc, It Runs! sort of.) '87 700 Magna, '85 V65 Magna, '84 700 Sabre odds are it will never run again.

03-07-2010, 09:05 PM	#853
Human Ills ^OP Useful Idiom Joined: Oct 2008 Location: here Oddometer: 19,485	Remember when T-shirts had stupid slogans on them?

03-08-2010, 07:49 AM	#855
Human Ills ^OP Useful Idiom Joined: Oct 2008 Location: here Oddometer: 19,485	I've changed my mind, don't suspend Carl. Pull his license.

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