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Old 07-21-2009, 08:15 AM   #106
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I'm not an expert like some of you guys, but I went to the Daytona 500 a few years ago. Goddammit, that was cool.
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:12 AM   #107
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Truth is I've never been to a motorsport race. The only exposure I've got is the tiny bit I happen to catch on TV.
Small local tracks are gritty, noisy and kinda fun. Dirty, too, if it's a dirt track.
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:16 AM   #108
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This weekend's race at the Brickyard is going to be interesting. If they have another fiasco like last year or are they going to be able to race. If the track condition hasn't been fixed it would be nice if NASCAR drops Indy from the schedule in 2010, Tony George would really be squirming then.

Also the Track and Nationwide races at IRP are always good.
What was the problem last year? Was it the track? Or was it that the tires couldn't handle the track?

I saw some "competition yellows" during a race earlier this year, because Goodyear couldn't make rubber that could handle the stress. I can't understand how that can happen. Both the cars and the tracks are known quantities. No surprises.

It happened with F1 at Indy a few years ago. Most of the grid wouldn't start, teams refused to participate in anything that wasn't a full-out race, wouldn't accept slow laps to cool off the tires. Complete and utter fiasco.
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:18 AM   #109
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The Bristol night race is the one I want to attend more than any other. To me that's what stock car racing is all about. I'd love to see them put the pros out there for a 20 lap bomber feature. How much fun would that be?
Me too. Hard to get a ticket, I understand. It would be a blast.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:02 PM   #110
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What was the problem last year? Was it the track? Or was it that the tires couldn't handle the track?

I saw some "competition yellows" during a race earlier this year, because Goodyear couldn't make rubber that could handle the stress. I can't understand how that can happen. Both the cars and the tracks are known quantities. No surprises.

It happened with F1 at Indy a few years ago. Most of the grid wouldn't start, teams refused to participate in anything that wasn't a full-out race, wouldn't accept slow laps to cool off the tires. Complete and utter fiasco.
It was a combination of abrasive track surface and the COT throwing Goodyear for a loop. The tires simply wore too quickly. They tested twice (I think) this year at Indy to make sure they had a compound that would stand up to the abuse.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:32 PM   #111
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What was the problem last year? Was it the track? Or was it that the tires couldn't handle the track?

I saw some "competition yellows" during a race earlier this year, because Goodyear couldn't make rubber that could handle the stress. I can't understand how that can happen. Both the cars and the tracks are known quantities. No surprises.

It happened with F1 at Indy a few years ago. Most of the grid wouldn't start, teams refused to participate in anything that wasn't a full-out race, wouldn't accept slow laps to cool off the tires. Complete and utter fiasco.
12 laps before total tire failure.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:39 PM   #112
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12 laps before total tire failure.
Nuts, I tell you. The cars and the track were known quantities. Michelin deservedly got a lot of flack for that mess.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:41 PM   #113
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They've all but ruined Bristol with the repaving. If you want tickets now, you can probably get them. It's not what it used to be.

I heard tire testing went well at Indy and they can't have another 10 lap tire. Now, they may end up with a hard tire and no grip, but it's going to run laps. You can count on that.

I've been watching for the last 20 years and while it's not what it used to be, it's still a great time to spend the day at the track.

Stewart is a second half driver, and I think it's about to get ugly for everyone else. It's all his to lose.
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Nuts, I tell you. The cars and the track were known quantities. Michelin deservedly got a lot of flack for that mess.
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Nuts, I tell you. The cars and the track were known quantities. Michelin deservedly got a lot of flack for that mess.
I assume you're talking about F1. Goodyear in NA$CAR.
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Nuts, I tell you. The cars and the track were known quantities. Michelin deservedly got a lot of flack for that mess.
Michelin owns Goodyear?
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:48 PM   #117
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I have a dirt 3/8 mile banked track less than a mile from my house, it is always a good show and worth the money I spend to attend.


Mmmmmm, sideways.

Ours isnt that close, but when the World Of Outlaws comes to town, I sure try to land that ticket. THAT is a show.

I grew up about a mile from another dirt track where street stocks and sportsmans were run. We attended quite a bit between the late 60s and mid 80s. I saw a lot of wrinkled Chevelle sheetmetal.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:55 PM   #118
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Confusion between tire manufactures for F1 and NASCAR aside...

IMS diamond ground the track surface last year and the COT has different suspension geometry from the old cars. This combination made for an unknown quantity for Goodyear as evidenced by what happened.

F1 never tested at Indy and F1 teams design and produce new cars each year. This made for an unknown quantity for Michelin.

Tire compounds are not an exact science. Sometimes they get it wrong. Sometimes spectacularly wrong.
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I assume you're talking about F1. Goodyear in NA$CAR.
Correct, the F1 fiasco of a few years ago. Michelin subsequently bowed-out of F1.
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Michelin owns Goodyear?
I thought you were referring to F1. Same deal, total destruction within a fixed number of laps.
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