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Old 01-11-2010, 09:16 AM   #61
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Rules say:

You ID at the beginning and at the end of each contact and every 10 minutes during a contact lasting 10 minutes or longer.
So technically while traveling at 60mph you would be covering 10 miles every ten minutes. If you were low watt with a local antenna on simplex, theoretically no one would even know if you called you call sign every 10 min? They might hear 30sec of your conversation if it lasted that long. K1xx....ssss...sssssssssssssssss

It's more of a honesty thing than an enforceable rule.

I am just a Noob with HAM and I'm asking elmerish questions. Back in my days in LE I learned that yeah there were laws, but they were only enforced when they made sense to enforce them.. It's kind of like the common sense over legality that leads to prosecutorial discretion.

I think I am getting my answer here....don't ask, don't tell

Think 1w, AS-25 antenna simplex 3 sec transmission
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:30 AM   #62
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So as I travel in Canada, specifically NB and NS, I understand you have to use the call sign with VE1 or the NB one VA9??? as well as your call sign.

Does anyone ever just use the radio without protocol occasionally.

It just seems kind of a pain to have a comm session like this between two bikes

Me- K1XXXV1-K1YYYV1
Wife-K1YYYV1
Me- Do you want to stop for lunch at that place?
Wife-Sure
Me-Ok K1XXXV1 clear
Wife K1YYYV1 clear

I'm sorry, but transmitting on 1w with an extremely small stub antenna on an unused band while simplex, is the procedure really necessary for short comm? If so, fine but it is a bit much.

What do you guys think?
Not sure about Canada but in the US for your example technically you and your wife would only be required to ID once each.

FCC station identification rule states that you should ID at the end of a conversation and every ten minutes.

Since your conversation was under ten minutes you would still be adhering to the rule if you only ID at the end of the conversation.

Again, this is for the US, not sure about Canada.
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:47 AM   #63
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Rules say:

You ID at the beginning and at the end of each contact and every 10 minutes during a contact lasting 10 minutes or longer.
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"97.119 Station identification.

(a) Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of each communication, and at least every ten minutes during a communication, for the purpose of clearly making the source of the transmissions from the station known to those receiving the transmissions. No station may transmit unidentified communications or signals, or transmit as the station call sign, any call sign not authorized to the station."
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:27 AM   #64
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Rule says every 10mins and at the end of communication.

At the beginning is a good idea, but not required. Common courtesy when you're looking for someone is to give their callsign then yours. But you could say "Hey honey, you there?" then ID with callsign after comm or a no-response.

I'll jump in and say hey to someone, then when the repeater bleeps its call or when i jump out is when i'll give my callsign.
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:47 AM   #65
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Cool, that's easier and doable. problem solved. I believe in Canada you just need to affix the region code to your call sign and 70m is secondary to hams. If you operate on GMRS, no license required as well
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Old 01-11-2010, 12:08 PM   #66
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I can program my VX170 to send my callsign in CW every 10. If I say my call when I start my day and when I end my day- am I good?
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Old 01-11-2010, 12:25 PM   #67
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I can program my VX170 to send my callsign in CW every 10. If I say my call when I start my day and when I end my day- am I good?
Yep. Doesn't have to be voice.

But good practice is to ID in the method of communication you're using. Voice, ID in voice. CW, ID in CW. ATV, overlay your callsign on the image. Digital modes, same deal.
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Old 01-11-2010, 12:30 PM   #68
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Yes- the cw is meant for using the VX in ACTS mode, but I figured it might be a work-around to:

wb6qwdwatch out for that cactuswb6qwd
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Old 01-11-2010, 12:33 PM   #69
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I can program my VX170 to send my callsign in CW every 10. If I say my call when I start my day and when I end my day- am I good?
Well... If your VX170 is programmed to send your call in CW every ten minutes then technically you don't have to "say" anything.
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Old 01-11-2010, 12:36 PM   #70
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Every ten AND at the end of communication, right?
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Every ten AND at the end of communication, right?
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I think some people are overthinking this. Here is a pretty simplistic sample conversation, with people who have callsigns Ham1 and Ham2.

Ham1, this is Ham2

Ham1 here.

I need a gas stop soon.



Ham1 clear.

Ham2 clear.

Even if it weren't legally required, doing so is great for keeping conversations over the radio clear and simple. If you have ever been part of a group who doesn't keep radio discipline, and then tries to use FRS radios, well, lord help you in trying to keep track of what is going on. Simple conventions help in keeping track when using simplex communication, not duplex, which is what most people are used to on phones. (Duplex means you can talk while hearing the other person, simplex means you need to "unkey" or stop transmitting to hear anything.)

By all means ask any questions you have. Remember there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. I had the advantage of several Elmers when I was in high school, and it is great if you can get someone you can meet face to face to help you out.
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:33 PM   #73
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Man, this is exactly what happens every time I go to the radio club rooms

I was lucky and grabbed my last name as my callsign so I take absolute delight in saying my callsign as much as possible, and because it can sound like I have a one letter callsign (here in Australia a two letter callsign is a thing of beauty) it drives people mad......

Anyway, the marriage of Adventure Riding and Amateur Radio is now complete in my mind, I finally am seeing that people really do want to mount every possible combination of radio to their bike - and if this means that there are more people on air then I am all for it.

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Old 01-11-2010, 05:36 PM   #74
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And some hams over ID... Like already mentioned, keep it simple.
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:58 PM   #75
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"97.119 Station identification.

(a) Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of each communication, and at least every ten minutes during a communication, for the purpose of clearly making the source of the transmissions from the station known to those receiving the transmissions. No station may transmit unidentified communications or signals, or transmit as the station call sign, any call sign not authorized to the station."
Yea, OK, that is true to the rule.

In practice, I find that it's easier at the beginning of a call to use a callsign as there are lot's of 'John's' and Al's, etc.

Once you do it for a while, it's simply second nature.

I never assume that no one else is listening just because no one else is talking.
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