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Old 10-23-2013, 07:25 AM   #1591
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I got my Army license in a 1/4ton Jeep. Hands down, the Humvee is a better vehicle for pretty much everything. Among other reasons for abandoning the Jeep was having MOGAS in the supply lines alongside the diesel. Rollovers are another big one...
A diesel conversion of the Jeep or modernized Jeep would have been a simple engineering job.

Rollovers is a training issue. If someone can play with grenades they should be able to play with a Jeep. Though some military folks shouldn't play with anything more dangerous than a pen! Still, it's a training issue, IMHO.

As for the Hummer doing what it was designed to do, I don't argue that. It meets its design and contractual requirements. However, the introduction of "interim" tactical vehicles shows that there was and is a need for such tools in the toolbox. If the Hummer was getting the job done, they wouldn't have gotten those in the system.

It would appear that the G-Wagon is becoming the more common Jeep alternative out there. See, cheap COTS solutions! But the road to a cushy post-retirement job is not paved by cheap COTS solutions.
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Old 10-23-2013, 06:04 PM   #1592
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G-wagen for the Marines was referred to as an "interim" solution. That was a decade or two ago and they have never been replaced as far as I know.

Oz had some 6x6 Land Rover scout vehicles that had Isuzu Diesel engines. They are being replaced by a 6x6 version of the G-wagen that may spawn an AMG version for some civilian markets.

The other side of the coin is that supposedly Mercedes only renewed their contract with Austro Daimler Steyr Puch (or whatever the hell they call themselves today) for another 2 years to produce the G-wagen, and many see that as an ominous sign.

Navistar is really pushing their mine-resistant trucks at $600,000 a pop and that is what has been replacing the American General vehicles in Afghanistan and Iraq. Several other countries make their own version of that style of vehicle and that may well become the primary military truck for future military usage.

Meanwhile, Mexico uses a bunch of US pickup trucks along with some new Ford-based armored trucks. The US-style pickup truck will probably increase in popularity among many nations. Particularly since Fiat now owns Chrysler, they are spinning off Ram Trucks, and their subsidiary Iveco has a long history of selling military vehicles.

RIP Defender. We will miss you but the Pink Panther versions supposedly handled like crap and I cannot imagine that the Defender armored up very well.



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Old 11-13-2013, 10:56 PM   #1593
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:03 AM   #1594
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As for the Hummer doing what it was designed to do, I don't argue that. It meets its design and contractual requirements. However, the introduction of "interim" tactical vehicles shows that there was and is a need for such tools in the toolbox. If the Hummer was getting the job done, they wouldn't have gotten those in the system.
The original spec was for something to replace the Jeep: behind the lines, 'light weight,' people and equipment hauler.

It was never designed to go into combat. That its been pressed into duty for that is a testament to both the ingenuity of the troops and the short-sightedness of the guys planning equipment purchases.

Back to Landy questions: there's a Disco on CL locally with a blown head gasket. How hard are those to do? How much of the crap on top of the engine needs to come off? etc etc etc

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Old 11-14-2013, 06:06 AM   #1595
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Some of my scariest journeys have been in one of those (with a box body though not soft-skinned). Total death traps
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:25 PM   #1596
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The original spec was for something to replace the Jeep: behind the lines, 'light weight,' people and equipment hauler.

It was never designed to go into combat. That its been pressed into duty for that is a testament to both the ingenuity of the troops and the short-sightedness of the guys planning equipment purchases.

Back to Landy questions: there's a Disco on CL locally with a blown head gasket. How hard are those to do? How much of the crap on top of the engine needs to come off? etc etc etc

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Depends on the type of engine. A totally blown head gasket on a TD5 could well be close to terminal for the engine. If its a Tdi not so bad. V8 i dont know.
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Old 11-14-2013, 02:05 PM   #1597
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Back to Landy questions: there's a Disco on CL locally with a blown head gasket. How hard are those to do? How much of the crap on top of the engine needs to come off? etc etc etc

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FWIW, it's not uncommon in the Disco V8s that a blown head gasket is actually a slipped liner. Not impossible to fix, but a much bigger job than just replacing a HG.

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Old 11-14-2013, 04:12 PM   #1598
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This thread rocks! i have a new afinity for rovers now The new RR sport is a bit expensive, but defeinitely my new favorite of the bunch..
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:31 PM   #1599
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There is a pretty decent DII article in the latest Rovers Magazine; (Rovers North) publication. I was not able to find a copy online.
Basically, consider major engine work. If you are fine with that, then proceed. I have owned several Land Rovers and the DII has been my overall favorite however it has not come cheaply nor without pain.
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Some of my scariest journeys have been in one of those (with a box body though not soft-skinned). Total death traps
I recall being stuck in one in waist deep mud, hard top, about half a million in communications gear fitted in the back with space for two operators, sound familiar?

It took a Bedford four tonner to tow us out.

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Old 11-14-2013, 10:01 PM   #1601
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Australian Army has now moved to G-Wagens.

I found another old tiny pic of my 110. Wish I didn't sell it.

When I was in the Regular Army we trained with some Aussies that brought along a Perentie LRPV, pretty nicely set up for it's intended purpose. What I remember most was the 463L pallet loaded with beer that was brought with it!

IIRC, the Perentie's had a wider wheelbase than a 90 or 110 LR, the one I got to play with never got stuck when following our HMMWVs, what a great platform for a lightweight camper.
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:00 PM   #1602
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When I was in the Regular Army we trained with some Aussies that brought along a Perentie LRPV, pretty nicely set up for it's intended purpose. What I remember most was the 463L pallet loaded with beer that was brought with it!

IIRC, the Perentie's had a wider wheelbase than a 90 or 110 LR, the one I got to play with never got stuck when following our HMMWVs, what a great platform for a lightweight camper.
Yes, correct. They were a Jaguar Land Rover Australia thing
They are now being sold off to the public through auction as teh Aussie Army are getting G-Waggons

www.aulro.com is a great resource and I refer to it often for my TD5 D2a


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Old 11-15-2013, 04:17 AM   #1603
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I recall being stuck in one in waist deep mud, hard top, about half a million in communications gear fitted in the back with space for two operators, sound familiar?

It took a Bedford four tonner to tow us out.

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I meant the set up - not the circumstances.

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