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Old 10-10-2014, 10:52 PM   #1
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assembling my 650 strom sputnik cargo rig (pic heavy)

I started collecting parts a couple months ago.

I found this Sputnik frame setup with an AE tub.





it came with some mounts from dmc.



here's the "cargo" piece of the puzzle...picked it up off CL as well.



The wheel on the chair is from a CJ and it was in pretty rough shape.





nos Okada



learned this trick from Gobium






all painted up and fresh bearings



I didn't like the look of the Spunik blinkers or tailight so I pulled them out...I'll probably replace the fender with a boat trailer type in the future.




I guess I forgot the "after" picture it's now black.

Added rox risers pro tapers and a set of double take mirrors.



test fitting the dmc mounts



At this point(about a month ago) I went to dmc to talk to Barry? to show him what I had and ended up ordering a subframe.

In between I added some new rubber



Anakee on the front and a Shitko 705 on the rear. I'll go to car tire on the rear when I wear this one down.



I have a really low mile takeoff shock sitting on the shelf and picked up an Eibach spring from Race Tech



added some beefy front springs from Sonic(I'm a big dude)

HF brake light



making some mounts for the Box



3 of the 4



1/8x3

blinkers...they and the tailight are 6 1/2"



some mockup



those brackets for the lights are from etrailer.com and are pretty strong for the 3.xx they are.


prepping the frame for the new mounts



new mounts being welded (this is from today)





my buddy Henry (gramp-z here at adv) doing the welding





I'll get some paint on the frame next(supposed to start raining)

lot's more to do...I'll try to start posting here in real time to share the progress.

just an fyi

this is my first sidecar "build"

I currently own a Ural (first hack) and I decided I wanted something more long distance travel ready (amongst other things)
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Old 10-11-2014, 06:47 PM   #2
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No comments means I'm doing really good for a n00b, right?

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Old 10-11-2014, 07:17 PM   #3
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No comments means I'm doing really good for a n00b, right?









I'll bite.


Any particular reason you didn't box the mounts for cargo body/tub ?


Something like this, to stop side flex and fatigue.


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Old 10-11-2014, 07:17 PM   #4
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No comments means I'm doing really good for a n00b, right?

Ummm, how about, "I don't know enough to hazard an opinion, but at least you're getting something done" ?



I'll keep an eye on this thread.

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Old 10-11-2014, 07:53 PM   #5
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I'll bite.


Any particular reason you didn't box the mounts for cargo body/tub ?


Something like this, to stop side flex and fatigue.




there are gussets on the outside of those plates...isn't that enough?


the box is maybe 40#'s and maybe 100#'s of gear
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Old 10-11-2014, 07:56 PM   #6
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Ummm, how about, "I don't know enough to hazard an opinion, but at least you're getting something done" ?



I'll keep an eye on this thread.

Works for me

I think it's going pretty good so far considering my limitations and budget.
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spraybombed the frame today...I plan on some other mods in the near future so it will have to do.

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Old 10-11-2014, 08:13 PM   #8
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No comments means I'm doing really good for a n00b, right?

You've done a good job of convincing me to try my hand at it
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there are gussets on the outside of those plates...isn't that enough?


the box is maybe 40#'s and maybe 100#'s of gear
140#, divided by 4 is 35# per mount. They're more than enough for a static load, but constant bouncing while off camber in the same direction...?
In the unpainted pic I don't see any heat discoloration from the gussets. If there's a gusset parallel to the tube and going all the way to the flange it'll be plenty strong, as long as it's welded to the tube, vertical plate and top plate.
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Old 10-11-2014, 08:15 PM   #9
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You should follow FR700's suggestion one way or the other or your box mounts are going to bend and don't quit your day job.
A simple flat plate welded inside or outside the frame and some sort of spacer between the plate and the box would do it, putting the plate on a stilt isn't a good idea, your better than this.DB
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there are gussets on the outside of those plates...isn't that enough?


the box is maybe 40#'s and maybe 100#'s of gear






Are you referring to the original gussets still on the frame ?



Fore and aft forces with that set-up will be fine.

Inertia, washboard roads, potholes, cornering at speed, will all contribute to the mounts wanting to flex sideways, and they will.


Not picking on you. It's easier to box the mounts now, while it's on the work bench, rather than later when you have to strip everything off to get at them. Even just welding a tube between the two upright plates will help a great deal. You could even do a bolt in support if you don't want to mess up the fresh paint.



Trust me, if there's room in the box, sooner or later you WILL load that thing beyond those weights, and then some

Ride height adjustable suspension with a cargo tub should be mandatory




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Old 10-11-2014, 09:49 PM   #11
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gussets

I don't have XC-ray vision, but, behind this upright plate I see some weld at about the point I'd imagine a gusset ending.



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Old 10-11-2014, 11:19 PM   #12
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Looks like you have a good start.

With the height of your box mounts above your frame, I would be concerned with side load on them, if you have gussets you may be OK. I tend to over build in areas like that .... well because I do stoopid shit with my stuff and test it, yeah that's the word, I test it hard sometimes!

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Old 10-12-2014, 12:47 AM   #13
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i can't see a issue with the box mounts...
when they are all tied togeather by the box
they an't going anywhere... just don't corner
at more than 7Gs and yer be sweet......

looks like yer can weld... unlike some of the crap welds people
show off with such pride...
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Old 10-12-2014, 04:56 PM   #15
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We did corner bracing on the outside mounts and I believe they should hold up to some abuse . If they bend , I guess we may have to go to the box idea . After looking at the Ural welds and tubing , I feel as though these welds and steel should last for a while . If not , Josh knows where I live .
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