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Old 12-22-2014, 10:27 PM   #1
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4 wheel ADV vehicle... for 2 adults, 4+ kids, camping & moto hauling.. opinions?

ok, the wife suggested we look into "a camper or van or something"... as i need no further reason than that to fuel my desire for more toys, the wheels started churning.

here's what is wanted:
  • transport 2 adults and 4+ growing kids (newborn, 2.5yrs, 5yrs & 9yrs... plus possibly our 17yo if we can actually get her to come with us)
  • sleep 2 adults and 4+ growing kids
  • tow or otherwise haul motorcycles (mostly dirtbikes)
  • standing room, at least with a pop-up
  • small 'kitchen' and maybe a shower/shitter
  • park on the street and/or my (narrow) driveway
  • serve as an occasional commuter
  • preferably 4x4
  • not break the bank in purchase or running costs

tall order, right? luckily i'm a bit ghetto and a touch redneck, mixed with capable metal fabricator and builder.

here's the options that i see
  • crew cab dodge cummins diesel 4x4. 4 wide kiddo car seats make it possible, or front bench seat... and a slide-in camper
  • ford E250/350, gasser, pop-top or high-top... mebbe a 4x4 conversion, stack the kids up like in a submarine.
  • clapped out Sprinter, and do no off-roading (4x conversion is way outta my budget)
  • take to our current rig* with a sawzall and the wisdom of my Scandinavian forefathers (read: liquor!)... or just pull a small travel trailer with it. not sure about interior space/layout, though.

current rig is a damn reliable '94 Suburban K1500 4x4. the 5.7L won't win any races, it does a best of 14mpg (unloaded @ 65mph)... but holy hell is it reliable & mechanically perfect. comfy to drive, too. comes complete with the 2" rear sag, failing GM paint and some recent front end cosmetic damage:



and do something like this:


opinions?
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:17 AM   #2
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If it reliable, and you can do the work, it's hard to beat. You already know the vehicle, and it's PAID FOR!........That said, you can buy some older Motorhomes for cheap. Inefficient at best, but with a little effort can be reliable, and cheap to buy. You can buy a lot of gas for $30,000+ purchase price vs $3000 for an old gas guzzler.
What about a trailer. Your suburban can tow a small enclosed utility trailer. The trailer can be used for lots of things, as well as towing the bikes, and makes a great camper if you put some finishing touches inside. Then it will haul drywall, plywood, furniture or whatever you need when not camping. And utility trailers are always in demand, so easy to unload if you don't like it.
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:41 AM   #3
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:04 AM   #4
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Just get a toyhauler and keep/ use the 'Burb.
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:10 AM   #5
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I'd love to have one of these, http://www.sportsmobile.com/ultimate-adventure/
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:48 AM   #6
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Be very, very carful with the "burb" if you plan on carrying, or towing, much of anything.

I had a '99 "burb" and it was fine when all I carried was 15 pound carbon fiber racing bicycles.

When I made the switch to dirt bikes I started going through transmissions.

Suburbans, particularly the 1500's, are not designed to carry much more than their own body weight. They are just too heavy in their own right.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:00 AM   #7
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Sportsmobiles are awesome. I'm pretty sure you can save a bunch of dough by having a 4X2 Econoline converted to 4x4. They aren't all that hard to convert. Going this route you can have it your way and you also might be lucky enough to find a 7.3 PSD to start with.
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:22 PM   #8
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Be very, very carful with the "burb" if you plan on carrying, or towing, much of anything...
agreed... suburban weighs in at 6400lbs.
on the plus side, i can rebuild a 4L60e in my sleep.

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that's what got me on this kick in the first place! wouldn't be buying anything even close to new, though.

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Sportsmobiles are awesome. I'm pretty sure you can save a bunch of dough by having a 4X2 Econoline converted to 4x4. They aren't all that hard to convert. Going this route you can have it your way and you also might be lucky enough to find a 7.3 PSD to start with.
thought/thinking about getting an E350 cargo and starting with that... gather the parts for a future 4x4 conversion. not sold on the power stroke, though... had one in an F250 and while the power was great i was never happy with the mileage, compared to a cummins. might have had something to do with my right foot, though...


in the end, i don't know just how much it'd get used... if it'd justify the expense of a diesel. i'm thinking occasional long weekend trips, within a few hours of home. also day trips for dirt biking. the biggest hurdle seems to be figuring out comfortable sleeping arrangements along with seating while driving.
man, the good ol' days when kids would just sit in the back of an open pickup
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:25 PM   #9
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How would you sleep 6 in a Suburban?
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:51 PM   #10
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How would you sleep 6 in a Suburban?
that's the biggest problem. maybe with a pop-top (room for 2), swivel front seats with a lay-over bed (room for 1)... then a fold flat bench (2 more)... doesn't quite fit, in my mind. not even sure how it'd work in a van... maybe folding bunk beds & a pop-top or high top.


or... if i'm day dreaming:
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:18 PM   #11
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I like the truck with a slidein idea. Especially if you have a place to store the slidein when not in use.

I've been faced with the same problem. Plenty of beater RVs and toyhaulers around, but no place to store it. They aren't allowed to be parked on the streets around here for more than a day or you can start getting ticketed. If I had to park it at a lot somewhere, I'd have to pay $60+/mo to store, and I'd probably never use it because it would be a hassle to go get and load up for the weekend.

Vans in general make a lot of sense, which is why they are so popular. I guess if you can source the parts and do it yourself you'd be ahead. Getting a kit from a place like U-Joint is like $8K, which is more than I would spend the van itself. Maybe you can get by with just a lift, wheels/tires, and a rear locker? Keep in mind that if you're getting an extended van, which you'd probably need for space, the departure angle is going to really suck, but I don't know what kind of offroad you are talking about.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:34 PM   #12
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I like the truck with a slidein idea. Especially if you have a place to store the slidein when not in use.

I've been faced with the same problem. Plenty of beater RVs and toyhaulers around, but no place to store it. They aren't allowed to be parked on the streets around here for more than a day or you can start getting ticketed. If I had to park it at a lot somewhere, I'd have to pay $60+/mo to store, and I'd probably never use it because it would be a hassle to go get and load up for the weekend.

Vans in general make a lot of sense, which is why they are so popular. I guess if you can source the parts and do it yourself you'd be ahead. Getting a kit from a place like U-Joint is like $8K, which is more than I would spend the van itself. Maybe you can get by with just a lift, wheels/tires, and a rear locker? Keep in mind that if you're getting an extended van, which you'd probably need for space, the departure angle is going to really suck, but I don't know what kind of offroad you are talking about.
can't park an RV or trailer on the street around here either.. my suburban parks in front of my house on the street nearly full time with no hassle. off site storage would likely prevent it from getting used as often, like you said.

off road: nothing major at all... no crawling, water crossing or *really* anything where you'd say 4wd is needed. 2wd with a locker would do 90% of what I drag my suburban through (which I've got stuck a couple times with the departure angle and factory hitch)
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:02 PM   #13
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opinion:

1. Fix the old burb and make it a stock, reliable tow rig, no need to turn it into a md max vehicle to get to 90% of the great spots off road..

2.Buy an old camper that you can put a generator in and redo the interior to make it into a toy hauler with bunk beds, fridge and minimal stuff in side ( or search for an older toy hauler that you can put bunk beds and a generator in).

3.Spend the money on the generator and a kick ass shower / bathroom and water tank system. That is what counts the most when you are camping with the family...

4 Search around and find a place to cheaply store the trailer.
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:06 PM   #14
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I've had three slide in campers, current Lance has a slide. Putting five or six people in one would suck pretty bad. Two adults & a couple of small children wouldn't be too bad, but you have to tear the table down every night to make the other bed which is a PIA.
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:38 PM   #15
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Rent rv when you need it. Tow bikes behind
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