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Old 09-04-2009, 08:05 AM   #1
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Honda Deauville (NT700V) Discussion Thread

Honda just announced that the Deauville will be coming to the US as a 2010 model - as the NT700V and NT700V ABS.

There's also a VTX1300C fuel injected model and a new bobber - Shadow Phantom

For 2010, the CBRs get:

wait for it...

wait for it..

"Exciting new graphics."

No word yet on an updated VFR.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:14 AM   #2
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crap. Looks like it's already been scooped in this thread.

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Old 09-04-2009, 08:42 AM   #3
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No Veradero though, huh? Oh well, we'll take what we can get i guess.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:44 AM   #4
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11K for one with ABS? Good luck selling that Honda.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:45 AM   #5
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:55 AM   #6
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11K for one with ABS? Good luck selling that Honda.
We've been discussing this in the other thread.

My first thought was the bike is way overpriced. But a ABS DL is $7500. Figure $1000 for good hard luggage. So your now at $8500.00. You are paying extra for the shaft drive and no valve adjustments (doesn't it have hydraulic lifters). So you are starting to get within range of the Deauville with a DL650 if you wanted shaft drive.

The BMW F800 St is $10,600. How does it compare to that bike?
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:55 AM   #7
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11K for one with ABS? Good luck selling that Honda.
Sounds like it's taking over for the VFR in '10. Don't worry, they'll all be on ebay in '11 for $8k...
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Old 09-04-2009, 09:06 AM   #8
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...and no valve adjustments (doesn't it have hydraulic lifters)....?
Correct me if I'm wrong but this is also the same engine which is in the DN01 - it doesn't have hydraulic lifters and does require valve checks.
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Old 09-04-2009, 09:11 AM   #9
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Saw a British chap on one...

...last summer up on the AlCan (Yukon).

It's a tidy touring bike, perhaps what BMW should've built.

I would expect the F800ST to be a bit more powerful. But the valve adjustments on one of those aren't especially home-shop friendly.

I wonder how difficult it is to remove the rear wheel. Some shaftys are far more difficult than they need be. That's one BMW has consistently gotten right for decades.

Honda build quality + Honda dealers EVERYWHERE may make this a great alternative to huge, heavy, megapowerful "sport-touring" rigs available.

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Old 09-04-2009, 10:23 AM   #10
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Further proof that Honda has gone completely off the rails.
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:37 AM   #11
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Service intervals

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http://www.deauvilleuk.org/forum/vie...p?f=23&p=43973

ukiboy Fri Mar 28, 2008 21:19 Servicing charges - now there's the achilles heel...

Sorry to be a damp squib and bring up a negative but this is one thing thats bugged me for a while. The DV isn't that practical and easy to live with when it comes to maintenance. Just giving the darned thing a good clean and trying to get into the usual nooks and crannies which need cleaning (rear brake caliper, swingarm, back of engine, frame...) is a nightmare of a job so it follows that the servicing bits are even worse for accesibility. (is this why no dealer bothers to do the valve check every 8k, and if they don't why does Honda specify it?!?!). i have a real problem with service schedule items being left out and not done come service time and in the case of our bike i think its because its such a bind to get to...
Anyone else have these thoughts?

Speaking of servicing.... Every 4000 miles?!?! No problem when you do that in a year but i do 12 - 14k in a year and i'm starting to feel the pinch. Why can't Honda make the intervals every 6k like BMW, Triumph and Yamaha. Come to think of it, why can't they do it every 8k seeing as thats the interval they specify for the oil and filter change...
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:42 AM   #12
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...last summer up on the AlCan (Yukon).

It's a tidy touring bike, perhaps what BMW should've built.

I would expect the F800ST to be a bit more powerful. But the valve adjustments on one of those aren't especially home-shop friendly.

I wonder how difficult it is to remove the rear wheel. Some shaftys are far more difficult than they need be. That's one BMW has consistently gotten right for decades.

Honda build quality + Honda dealers EVERYWHERE may make this a great alternative to huge, heavy, megapowerful "sport-touring" rigs available.

Tom in Salem

I had pleasure. Worked on brand new Deauville of my friend and rode with him for 6000 km.

How difficult? VERY!
It is one of most maintenance un-friendly bikes I worked on. I hated every minute.
To take rear wheel off you need to remove exhaust, which requires 1 foot long extender for wrench, but if you drop exhaust you will break lambda-sensor wire, which can not be unplugged from connector on frame because part of connector that are fixed on frame is the one that comes off exhaust!!! Then take off brake caliper, rear mudguard can stay if you lift bike rear like 2 feet in the air. When my friend dropped it left side front indicator broke mounts and sunk into fairing. We wanted to fix it, but plastic fixed in a way that half of bike must be taken off...
Then he broke Honda original bellypan in first fall at 30 kmph. Went into pieces from slight knock.
Comparing to ST1300 I worked on at same time (prepared bikes of my friends for Norway ride I led them in) it was horrible. Yes, and ST1300 not most maintenance-friendly.

Build quality of middle class Euro-hondas are down a lot. While CBRs and some models built superbly all middle-class bikes built like junk. Horrible welds, bad paint (thou not as bad as Kawasaki), cheapest materials...
That goes for new Transalp, new Deaville at least. BTW factory-balanced wheels were off balance - reason I was taking them off his bike. Had to be re-balanced and with considerable weights. Bike was new with mere 1000 km on the clock.
Ride-wise it was OK, load of clearance (by the looks more than new Transalp), easy handling and just enough power. Very good fuel economy, tons of space for luggage. But by God it was so heavy we had to push his bike every time we had to maneuvre it in tight space.

When I checked out new Transalp on test-ride I was horrified - it looked like it was built before era of robowelders and quality control.
At same time on this background CB1300 looks like rolls-royce built quality.
Same goes for CBR and few other bikes. Go figure.
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:51 AM   #13
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Wow. Sounds like a complete PITA to service.
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Old 09-04-2009, 11:05 AM   #14
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Wow. Sounds like a complete PITA to service.
Honda are kinda strange, in that they specify 4k service intervals but the bikes are over-engineered and rarely need servicing that often.

For example, a CBR1100XX 'should' have the valves checked every 16k; but the foremost independent 'bird mechanic in the UK says he's never known the valves to be out of spec below 65k. His advice is to leave them until at least 48k is on the odo.

But, it's also kinda strange how much, or little, folks in the USA are prepared to pay for a bike. There's no way you'd get a bike like the Dville for 5000 and change over here (a Ninja250 is 3899..).

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Old 09-04-2009, 11:09 AM   #15
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Wow. Sounds like a complete PITA to service.
Valve adjustment on an FZ6 is 26k miles. It has no lower fairing, and comes stock with a centerstand.

I think I know where my middleweight touring dollars are going.
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