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Old 09-12-2009, 10:56 AM   #121
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Legal CYA...
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Old 09-12-2009, 11:07 AM   #122
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I pretty much agree, but I still hold it against Honda for using this slimy tactic. BMW, to their credit, has always been much better about having realistic useful loads.

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Old 09-12-2009, 11:28 AM   #123
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Does anyone have a link to a site that has something more than the brochure's specifications? I'd be interested in GVW and how many Watts the alternator is capable of producing. Or do I have to wait for an article in MCN or Cycle World?
Your google-fu skills are weak, my friend...

http://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/press/2009/2009_Deauville.pdf

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Alternator output: 452 W

Max Carrying Capacity: 197kg (433.4 lbs)
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Old 09-12-2009, 11:28 AM   #124
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The limiting factor will be the tires.
Most 150/70-17 I found have a load rating of 69, or 716 lbs. Most 120/70-17s have a rating of 57, or 520 lbs.

The simple calculation would be 1236 (716+520) - 562 (Honda's ready to ride weight) = 674 (payload).

This does not allow for things like weight distribution and weight transfer (braking) and I don't know what concessions Honda (or any other maker) allow for these things, OR, what their lawyers deduct arbitrarily.

Allowing for two BIG people, (400 lbs.) and a lot of gear (100 lbs.), I'd say keep your tires inflated properly and don't worry about it.
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:37 PM   #125
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$10K ? Well, it's a bargain compared to the pos scooter they're flogging.
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Old 09-12-2009, 02:17 PM   #126
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You're absolutely right about that, at least in this case. Feng shui not on my side this time. Many thanks.

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Your google-fu skills are weak, my friend...

http://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/press/2009/2009_Deauville.pdf

2009 model

Alternator output: 452 W

Max Carrying Capacity: 197kg (433.4 lbs)
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Old 09-12-2009, 05:50 PM   #127
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$10K ? Well, it's a bargain compared to the pos scooter they're flogging.
$10k for a transalp with a new fairing and hardbags? The name should be Dough-ville!?!
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Old 09-12-2009, 06:53 PM   #128
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$10k for a transalp with a new fairing and hardbags? The name should be Dough-ville!?!
That's one (very simple) way to look at it. Do you really think it's overpriced, or are you just looking to complain generally about the price of motorcycles?

You have a CRF450R. Those cost $8k new. They have one cylinder, one front disk brake, spoke wheels, no fairing, no bags, no shaft drive. Are they overpriced?

There's about a thousand more analogies that could be made.
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Old 09-12-2009, 07:43 PM   #129
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That's one (very simple) way to look at it. Do you really think it's overpriced, or are you just looking to complain generally about the price of motorcycles?

made.
I think just looking to complain.............as with most of the negative internet non-sense

There's about a thousand more analogies that could be made.

and everybody wants more power , less weight, more range, more suspension, lower seat height, lower price, luggage, and there are hundred more compromises

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Old 09-12-2009, 08:07 PM   #130
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I pretty much agree, but I still hold it against Honda for using this slimy tactic. BMW, to their credit, has always been much better about having realistic useful loads.
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Your mad at Honda for sandbagging thier weghts and specs on the safe, conservative side?
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Old 09-13-2009, 06:40 AM   #131
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seems like a nice bike and i hope it does well. Personally if i were commuting and had to get through city traffic etc everyday i would want something much much lighter. If i wanted a touring bike for the wide open spaces we have here i would want something with enough hp to zip upto a hundred now and then. Reading these posts it seems there might be enough riders who dont care about things like that and this would be a good choice for them.
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:21 AM   #132
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What you are asking for are mutually exclusive.

What makes a good city commuter or sportbike (light weight and nimble) are at odds with a touring bike for the slab (stable and enough weight to not get blown around).
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:51 AM   #133
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What you are asking for are mutually exclusive.

What makes a good city commuter or sportbike (light weight and nimble) are at odds with a touring bike for the slab (stable and enough weight to not get blown around).
Yea my old st11 was amazing for trips but really bad trying to wind through stop and go. This bike is billed as a commuter/tourer ,or at least that's the reputation. With that in mind it probably fits that bill better than the c14,fjr and st13
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:10 AM   #134
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Dual/sport...sport/tourer...fax/copy machine...digital slr/video camera...etc.

Can someone point out a successful example of any? Anything that tried to be a hybrid..ends up being mediocre at best.

The NT700V is simply trying to be more of a commuter bike...and though many are coughing at the initial price. I dare you to come up with another option that will be cheaper on a $/mile operating cost...over 100k miles. Lets factor in initial cost+maintenance+insurance+gas+any other cost involved with owning that motorcycle...
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:41 AM   #135
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I dare you to come up with another option that will be cheaper on a $/mile operating cost...over 100k miles.
clearly, the KLR is the bike for you.
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