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Old 01-16-2012, 02:52 AM   #10696
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had a look today at sump.

looks like plug thats in the bike was wrong thread type and also very short.

so i think the threads damaged were the 1st 6mm, there is still another 6-7mm f thread further in so a longer bolt will sort me out.

so might look at trying another method, i will fit longer bolt but might try make up a drain pipe on the end to aid oil draining so dont have take the bolt out again
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Old 01-16-2012, 04:48 AM   #10697
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had a look today at sump.

looks like plug thats in the bike was wrong thread type and also very short.

so i think the threads damaged were the 1st 6mm, there is still another 6-7mm f thread further in so a longer bolt will sort me out.

so might look at trying another method, i will fit longer bolt but might try make up a drain pipe on the end to aid oil draining so dont have take the bolt out again
Wrong thread type on the plug? That's hard to believe. How does that happen? Are you able to measure it with a thread pitch gauge? Regardless...you still have to clean the internal threads which is 14mm X 1.25 thread pitch or do the Timesert...and be done with it.....

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Old 01-16-2012, 05:05 AM   #10698
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Is there a u.s online store for AT parts?
I am trying to buy a few AT parts for a friend in south America and i havent been able to locate a u.s dealer with the AT micro fiche online.
Thank you for your input.
What parts specifically? Some of the engine parts can be had in the USA such as orings and gaskets etc....but not head gaskets. I would think getting certain parts for an AT would be easier in some of those S. American countries where it was actually imported. Might just be easier to have them posted to your buddy from the UK by Wemoto or David Silver Spares.
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:22 AM   #10699
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Wrong thread type on the plug? That's hard to believe. How does that happen? Are you able to measure it with a thread pitch gauge? Regardless...you still have to clean the internal threads which is 14mm X 1.25 thread pitch or do the Timesert...and be done with it.....
well looks like the drain plug was nto the correct one, it is way shorter that the sump hole and the pitch is very different to thoes of the threds inside the hole further in that look be un damaged.

the thread on the bolt i took out looks more like a wood screw thread than anything else

a 14mm fine thread is not listed in any machine book or Zeus precision book of threads.

looks like the bolt used was a 14mm coarse thread bolt and its a low profile head designed for a sump under the engine not at the side

oh and it happens as some one looses it and shoves anythign he has back in.

my old klr650 has a standard bolt shoved into it and destroyed the threads, could still see the hack saw marks on the top where he cut it to lenght and could see the damaged threads pushed into the sump when looked under it.

its amazing what some people do to engines all coz too lazy or tight to ge tthe correct part. like a sump bolt is max 3 euro

timesert is ideal fix just i will have take engine out to do it
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Old 01-16-2012, 12:44 PM   #10700
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had a look today at sump.

looks like plug thats in the bike was wrong thread type and also very short.
I bought a magnetic sump plug for my AT.The thread was correct but the threaded part of the plug was much shorter than the original.I can't help feeling that this will damage the threads in the sump eventually so I will probably put the original one back in next time I change the oil.
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Old 01-16-2012, 12:56 PM   #10701
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well looks like the drain plug was nto the correct one, it is way shorter that the sump hole and the pitch is very different to thoes of the threds inside the hole further in that look be un damaged.

the thread on the bolt i took out looks more like a wood screw thread than anything else

a 14mm fine thread is not listed in any machine book or Zeus precision book of threads.

looks like the bolt used was a 14mm coarse thread bolt and its a low profile head designed for a sump under the engine not at the side

oh and it happens as some one looses it and shoves anythign he has back in.

my old klr650 has a standard bolt shoved into it and destroyed the threads, could still see the hack saw marks on the top where he cut it to lenght and could see the damaged threads pushed into the sump when looked under it.

its amazing what some people do to engines all coz too lazy or tight to ge tthe correct part. like a sump bolt is max 3 euro

timesert is ideal fix just i will have take engine out to do it
As an alternative to a store bought thread chaser...and it would def give you access and that would be to use an old spark plug with a long threaded reach. Cut off the ceramic end and then with a dremel disc cut a few grooves length wise into the threads like the real ones. These grooves collect the metal filings in the tapping process. You may also have to clean up those threads a bit that you just dremelled. I would then smear grease on those threads and grooves prior to tapping to collect any metal filings. Put a socket or wrench on your new stubby thread chaser and your good.
If your worried about leaks and a proper seal you could get yourself
some good crush washers (1 time only) that they use in general aviation
known as AN900...

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Old 01-16-2012, 01:44 PM   #10702
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ya good washers is something i need to invest in.

i like idea the spark plug, hope a tool maker in work could make me up a tap but shorten it for me so will fit into it
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:16 PM   #10703
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Thanks ujeni and GSPD750,
I was searching (without any luck) the web for the parts catalog so i can hunt the parts through a Honda dealership, I am sure some of the parts have cross refrence on other Honda models.
I followed one of the links from xrv.org to Lings Honda but the prices seems a bit high, but i might be a bit spoiled by the u.s parts market
Anyway, this is the parts description list
1. Engine case cap- the 14mm on the left case
2. Front brake master cylinder overhaul kit
3. Fuel cock - i am sure i got one from the Bike Bandit a few years ago
4. Trip master
5.Speedometer twirly
6. Front brake lever
7. Clutch lever
8. Clutch cable
9. Brake pads- front and rear, i actually saw those on e.bay.
10. Dashboard light bulbs
11. Both air ducts from filter to carb.

The bike is a 99 RD07 located in Colombia.

Again, many thanks in advance
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:46 AM   #10704
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Africa Twin

Loving the Africa Twin. I just completed the Mae Hong Son loop in northern Thailand. A great ride.
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:34 AM   #10705
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just had another look today.

the sump is 14mm thick, so there is 7mm of good thread further in, only 1st 7mm of thread were damaged

so will chance fitting the correct sump bolt and see if i can get a bite witht he thread at the rear,

i think 7mm of thread should hold up ok
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:38 AM   #10706
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Thanks ujeni and GSPD750,
I was searching (without any luck) the web for the parts catalog so i can hunt the parts through a Honda dealership, I am sure some of the parts have cross refrence on other Honda models.
I followed one of the links from xrv.org to Lings Honda but the prices seems a bit high, but i might be a bit spoiled by the u.s parts market
Anyway, this is the parts description list
1. Engine case cap- the 14mm on the left case
2. Front brake master cylinder overhaul kit
3. Fuel cock - i am sure i got one from the Bike Bandit a few years ago
4. Trip master
5.Speedometer twirly
6. Front brake lever
7. Clutch lever
8. Clutch cable
9. Brake pads- front and rear, i actually saw those on e.bay.
10. Dashboard light bulbs
11. Both air ducts from filter to carb.

The bike is a 99 RD07 located in Colombia.

Again, many thanks in advance
1. Engine case cap- the 14mm on the left case
90084-MN8-010 – CAP 14mm
91303-377-000 – O-RING 13.8X2.5
Shared with 1999-2003 TRX400 Fourtrax $10.05 & $2.78 from your local Honda Dealer

2. Front brake master cylinder overhaul kit
45530-471-831 – CYLINDER SET, MASTER
Shared with 1999-2003 TRX400 Fourtrax $37.05 again from your local Honda Dealer

3. Fuel cock - i am sure i got one from the Bike Bandit a few years ago
16950-MY1-000 – COCK ASSY, FUEL
Specific to Africa Twin RD07/07A
OEM available from Wemoto

4. Trip master - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
37220-MAY-671 – METER ASSY, DIGITAL TRIP
Specific to Africa Twin RD07/07A
Either find one on Ebay Germany / Ebay UK- or use an aftermarket unit from Trailtech etc

5.Speedometer twirly.
????? sorry – you’ll need to be more specific

6. Front brake lever
53185-MN9-305 – LEVER SET, R. HANDLE
Specific to Africa Twin and early NX650
non OEM available from Wemoto

7. Clutch lever
53178-MAN-600 – LEVER, L. STEERING HANDLE
Specific to Africa Twin, Transalp, Dominator, FMX650, SLR650
non OEM available from Wemoto

8. Clutch cable
22870-MY1-000 – CABLE COMP, CLUTCH
Specific to Africa Twin RD07/07A
non OEM available from Wemoto

9. Brake pads- front and rear, i actually saw those on e.bay.
06455-MAY-000 – PAD SET FR
Specific to Africa Twin RD07A
43105-MY1-405 – PAD SET RR
Specific to Africa Twin RD07/07A
I prefer OEM pads - aftermarket pads widely available on Ebay

10. Dashboard light bulbs
34909-KW3-003 – BULB, WEDGE BASE 12V 1.7W
Shared with 1999-2003 TRX400 Fourtrax $2.43 each - again from your local Honda Dealer
non OEM available from Wemoto

11. Both air ducts from filter to carb.
17253-MAY-620 – TUBE R AIR CLEANER CONNECTING
17254-MAY-620 – TUBE L AIR CLEANER CONNECTING
Specific to Africa Twin RD07A

David Silvers and CMSNL are good for OEM Africa Twin parts - use the part numbers listed above.

I'd recommend taking up Ujeni's offer of assistance - he's local to you and well versed in Africa Twin parts.........

Hope this helps
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:55 PM   #10707
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Add my AT to the list of those that have made it to the States. Fired right up after sitting for two months with the battery/alarm still connected. Gotta love Hondas. Just have to figure out how to get it registered in TN.
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:31 PM   #10708
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Loving the Africa Twin. I just completed the Mae Hong Son loop in northern Thailand. A great ride.
First time I've seen Jesse panniers on an AT. They look good. Sounds like a nice trip too.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:30 PM   #10709
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Thank you SF8 for the detailed reply and parts number.
i filled a shopping cart at Wemoto with most of the things.
Still i have a feeling that prices are a bit high...for example: the AT fuel pump is the same crappy Mitsubishi pump as in my KTM, the pump from ktmtwins.com is $155, the pump from Wemoto is $281. is there a reason for such a difference? BTW, are you AT guys using the Facet 40171 as a replacement pump?
Regarding the Tripmaster, after seeing the price (ouch) i gave the guy the same advice.
Again, thank you so much for your kind help.
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Old 01-18-2012, 10:02 PM   #10710
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Add my AT to the list of those that have made it to the States. Fired right up after sitting for two months with the battery/alarm still connected. Gotta love Hondas. Just have to figure out how to get it registered in TN.

Glad you got it here. Now just sort out the paperwork and all will be good.
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