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Old 08-06-2013, 11:51 PM   #12631
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cynical?

Wait.....loook.....did you see that Pig flying by? He was right up there about 10 o'clock high.....


......he was wearing a top hat and tails....honest


Hey if Suzuki can start an ad campaign "proving" that their new overweight 1200cc V-strom offshoot with street tires has evolved from the same genetic base as its DR750'Zeta Dakar bikes - then - I guess Honda can stick a beak onto a Goldwing and say it's a DualSport

In short, don't hold yer breath
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:12 AM   #12632
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I won't hold my breath, but signs point to....maybe?

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/honda-africa-twin/
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:47 AM   #12633
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I won't hold my breath, but signs point to....maybe?

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/honda-africa-twin/

What Ladder is probably saying is that even if it does come out, it will only share the name with the older @ models for marketing reasons, but it will not be at all an all-terrain jack of all trades, as the originals were...
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Old 08-07-2013, 09:43 AM   #12634
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Thanks tserts. That sums up my opinion in a much less sarcastic way. Wish I'd have done that myself.

If you want to have a laugh at utter advertising rubbish have a look at Suzuki's effort.

http://www.suzuki-vstrom.com/en/history/index.html

The jump from 1997 to 2002 is the one I like best. It's like going from a jelly-fish directly to homo erectus in one huge leap. I'd think Charlie D is laughing his ass off. They DO show a "gap" in the timeline so I guess you're supposed to insert "and now something astoundingly inexplicable happens"

Here's what I find ironic about the "market-studies" done by these companies.

First they go to Germany where there are huge numbers of DS bikes. The go to rallies and conduct a "market survey". Alll the riders tell them how they never ride their bikes off-road.......because in Germany you CAN'T!

They may even come to the US and go a a rally here. Every been to one? It's filled with Goldwing and ST1300 riders and lots of cruisers. They ask about DS bikes and get an earful about how they have to bee 600 lbs, go 150 mph, and carry 2 people and 200 lbs of gear, with only a minor "dip your big toe into the water" excursion down a gravel fire road for excitement.

Then they build the bikes that we've told them we "want".

Interestingly enough, that's the perfect way to do it in my opinion.

While you may think that on odd attitude, I really do NOT want all my favorite backroads being invaded by the riding masses. Large numbers of humans have the unerring habit of ruining nearly everything they touch - so - keeping the majority of these fools on the pavement is just fine for me.

But don't think for a moment that any new AT is going to be a good all-round bike, off-road capable and trailside servicable like the old ones. It will be marketed to riders that have to tow their machines to the dealership every time they get a puncture.

Ok, so, less sarcastic (apologies AdventureGoddess) but still cynical.

Oddly enough, if Honda proves me wrong......I'll be happy

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Old 08-07-2013, 10:28 AM   #12635
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Now tell us how you really feel Ray. Don't hold back.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:12 AM   #12636
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[QUOTE=al bowlly;22040252]Dennis,
"unless you want to come down and swap out a few parts.
when I get back from vacation."


I'd be up for that, if all else fails and you seriously need a hand. By then, I should have my bike ready for the road, finally, after two years in restoration. I'm definitely not a speedy mechanic!!

Later then. Dennis.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:33 AM   #12637
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Jim !

How's things?

Happy to see your able to laugh at me. Battling with the insurance company or are things progressing well?

Were you able to recover anything from the rubble?

Wishing you all the best (see, I can be a nice guy too)
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:48 AM   #12638
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Doing well. We have been reduced to trailer trash. We're living in a toyhauler until the house is rebuilt. It's just a big smooth dirt pile now. Plans are in the works. I had to compromise, 3 bedrooms and a 6 car garage. I managed to salvage some hand tools. Let's see what a wire wheel and a buffer can do.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:21 PM   #12639
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3 bedrooms and a 6 car garage
Now there a man with his priorities in line.

Is it the same property? Doesn't it rather look like a moonscape? I'm sure the deerbrush will be back with a vengance next year but aren't the trees ready to fall down?
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:28 PM   #12640
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Now there a man with his priorities in line.

Is it the same property? Doesn't it rather look like a moonscape? I'm sure the deerbrush will be back with a vengance next year but aren't the trees ready to fall down?
I'm internet-challenged when not at work (shhhhh...) or I would post a pic of my grove of toothpicks. I cleared/had cleared trees up to 40 feet from any former structure and will most likely go further. We'll plant some aspens and shrubs and lots of grass. The mowing kind.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:34 PM   #12641
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So, at least you'll be able to answer the question of trees falling in the forest

I like the Aspen and grassland idea. Tree planting party next spring?
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:39 PM   #12642
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Probably sooner than that.
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:09 PM   #12643
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Probably sooner than that.
Best of luck, Jim. Happy to see you all move forward with the new house.
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:45 PM   #12644
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:07 PM   #12645
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tserts,
I've done the fuel pump bypass and had no change in the symptoms. Also have had another Facet and an Airtex prior to the current Facet. I've also bypassed the fuel pump relay, but reconnected it after no improvement. While seeming fuel related, four mechanics have failed to find the issue there. At this point I can't imagine it being anything but electrical. We'll see.
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There is a breathing hose that sits between the carbs. If this tube is mis-located the bike will lose power at a given rpm range. When disassembling/reassembling, it's easy to mis-locate this tube with another breather tube that sits closer to the rear damper unit, only in a lower position that the first breather tube... originating hesitation and power-cutting problems. I recently came across an AT with this same problem... it's worth checking this.
From all the descriptions, the other thing I can think of are the ignition coils themselves, or the spark plugs cables...
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