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Old 09-23-2009, 05:50 PM   #31
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I think it would work. I can't see that guy getting anyone pregnant.


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Old 09-23-2009, 06:04 PM   #32
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OK Big news, mounted the sm-motech bars and OVER tourqued EVERY bolt. One is stripped and two are probably close. Called the BMW deal for the specs and he told me 66nm. WRONG !!!!!!

Just so you do not F%^# up your baby like I just did mine.

40nm for the bolts that go thru the frame and in to the motor.

19 for the mounting points on the lower part and front of motor.

Call me, write me, come by, just dont do what I did.

I AM AN ASSHOLE for rushing this job.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:55 PM   #33
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Crap man! I'm really sorry to hear that. Looks like you will have some Helicoils in your future. you'll get it fixed and everything will be OK. Check your PMs.


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OK Big news, mounted the sm-motech bars and OVER tourqued EVERY bolt. One is stripped and two are probably close. Called the BMW deal for the specs and he told me 66nm. WRONG !!!!!!

Just so you do not F%^# up your baby like I just did mine.

40nm for the bolts that go thru the frame and in to the motor.

19 for the mounting points on the lower part and front of motor.

Call me, write me, come by, just dont do what I did.

I AM AN ASSHOLE for rushing this job.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:42 PM   #34
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Ah man, Kaw4Life, that sucks, but don't feel like the Lone Ranger. Many of us have found ourselves in similar situations. Like Motoriley said, Helicoils are your friend! Trust me, after owning a Royal Enfield that had an engine block made of cheddar cheese, I've gotten REAL good at them.

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Old 09-24-2009, 08:32 AM   #35
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Eek Please, no more...

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YEP....
My theory is true.....
Don't be concerned about bolting protections to the engine.
Had a liiiiiiitlle help from an Audi A4 this afternoon, and unfortunately put it to the test, and both me and engine casing look alright.
At least better than the Audi.

I'll post pictures tomorrow!

Cheers.
While I appreciate your enthuiasm for the real world test pics of crash bar mounting, I really was not asking for NEW crash test pics. Kudos for coming out OK.
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Old 09-24-2009, 09:36 AM   #36
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OK Big news, mounted the sm-motech bars and OVER tourqued EVERY bolt. One is stripped and two are probably close. Called the BMW deal for the specs and he told me 66nm. WRONG !!!!!!
That's bad news but not the end of the world, they'll helicoil.

Might I suggest you take whatever four foot long spring loaded POS you used to get 66 Nm outside and throw it as far as you can. You will never, ever strip another thread if you do it by feel with a normal wrench/Allen key. Torques on external fasteners are about being tight. It really doesn't matter if you hit 30 Nm instead of 45, the numbers are there for two reasons. First of all they stop the factory air guns wrecking threads. Second, they act as a check that the stupid grease monkey at the dealer does them more than finger tight because he has to put the wrench on.

The only time you'll find anyone in the vehicle industry using a torque wrench on their own vehicles is for internal components and stretch bolts, and then they'll use the calibrated real deal, not the spring loaded POS the Snap-on guy sold the workshop ten years ago.

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Old 09-24-2009, 09:45 AM   #37
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You will never, ever strip another thread if you do it by feel with a normal wrench/Allen key.
While I agree with everything that you said there, Andy, it took me more than a few stripped bolts to develop that feel. And using even a lousy torque wrench carefully will help to develop that feel. As the saying goes: "Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment."

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Old 09-24-2009, 12:10 PM   #38
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That's bad news but not the end of the world, they'll helicoil.

Might I suggest you take whatever four foot long spring loaded POS you used to get 66 Nm outside and throw it as far as you can. You will never, ever strip another thread if you do it by feel with a normal wrench/Allen key. Torques on external fasteners are about being tight. It really doesn't matter if you hit 30 Nm instead of 45, the numbers are there for two reasons. First of all they stop the factory air guns wrecking threads. Second, they act as a check that the stupid grease monkey at the dealer does them more than finger tight because he has to put the wrench on.

The only time you'll find anyone in the vehicle industry using a torque wrench on their own vehicles is for internal components and stretch bolts, and then they'll use the calibrated real deal, not the spring loaded POS the Snap-on guy sold the workshop ten years ago.

Andy
The problem may be that in order to repair these, the motor may have to removed from the frame. Thin ice I am on here so I will do nothing until I calm down. You make a good point about 'feel', I ignored that this time around. I knew that something was not right but kept going. I have to decent tourque wrench, had I had the right numbers I am quite sure this would not have happened.
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:44 AM   #39
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I took several photos of better angles, butt they got so blurry and shaky (cell-phone camera and after-crash adrenaline are not good elements in photography)

Here you see how the bars and specially the support bend.



In this one, you can see how it's bent near the section of the bars witch is bolt to the engine.
(and how well the ADV bash plate protected the engine)


Here she is
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:28 AM   #40
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Holy crap man. Took me a while to figure out how those bars were bent. Not the typical fall and slide damage. You were seriously tagged. Amazing that you are OK. Was the horseshoe you carry damaged or the rabbit's foot squished?'


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I took several photos of better angles, butt they got so blurry and shaky (cell-phone camera and after-crash adrenaline are not good elements in photography)

Here you see how the bars and specially the support bend.



In this one, you can see how it's bent near the section of the bars witch is bolt to the engine.
(and how well the ADV bash plate protected the engine)


Here she is
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Old 09-27-2009, 03:50 PM   #41
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You were seriously tagged.
You think?!?!




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Amazing that you are OK. Was the horseshoe you carry damaged or the rabbit's foot squished?'
Not "just OK", just a scratch on each leg.... nothing on my hands, didn't even scratch the helmet, lucky isn't enough! I even had a hard time convincing the Police officers i was the one driving the bike due to the lack of injuries in a head-on collision!

But seriously.... if i can walk today and hopefully for the rest of my life, is only thanks to those ADV crash bars, just imagine what would be of my leg if it got caught in the middle of all that!
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Old 09-27-2009, 04:31 PM   #42
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You even gave the guy a flat tire. nice work.
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Not "just OK", just a scratch on each leg.... nothing on my hands, didn't even scratch the helmet, lucky isn't enough! I even had a hard time convincing the Police officers i was the one driving the bike due to the lack of injuries in a head-on collision!

But seriously.... if i can walk today and hopefully for the rest of my life, is only thanks to those ADV crash bars, just imagine what would be of my leg if it got caught in the middle of all that!
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:23 AM   #43
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I took several photos of better angles, butt they got so blurry and shaky (cell-phone camera and after-crash adrenaline are not good elements in photography)

Here you see how the bars and specially the support bend.



In this one, you can see how it's bent near the section of the bars witch is bolt to the engine.
(and how well the ADV bash plate protected the engine)


Here she is
Mary mother of Jesus!

That is one serious impact. Glad and amazed that you're okay.
Im presuming you hit the front quarter of the car and the bars were the main point of contact? Its interesting to see the effects of a 'full frontal' impact on the bars rather than the more common side impact.
It looks like they made a big impression on the car!
Did the crossbar make contact with the engine when it bent back?
Will the bike go back on the road?

Anyway, really glad to hear you walked away from that one, i'll pass this on to our designer.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:17 PM   #44
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Mary mother of Jesus!
Im presuming you hit the front quarter of the car and the bars were the main point of contact? Its interesting to see the effects of a 'full frontal' impact on the bars rather than the more common side impact.
I'm not sure, i thought i went head on, but from the impact i'd guess i managed to slide the bike while trying to avoid the car, so i'd imagine something like a 120º, 150º crash (being 180º a headon, and 90º when you take a car straight to your left side.), probably avoided hitting with the front wheel by few inches


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Did the crossbar make contact with the engine when it bent back?
No, not all, although the radiator bent, and originated a big leak, making it useless

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Will the bike go back on the road?
Hope so
I don't know what to expect from these kind's of crashes, i still haven't been talked with the BMW guys about it.
But the only visible mechanical damage was the radiator and a shattered gear lever.
Don't know if the frame is bent, or if even works, it was quite an impact, and certainly applied some more then desirable force on some component's witch weren't designed to.
really don't know what to expect.
Thank god for insurance tough.

I REALLY love that bike, and i'm dying to ride it again (not on tarmac tough, it might take that literally)
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:15 AM   #45
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You are a cage killer now! (two thumbs up)
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