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Old 07-21-2012, 09:58 AM   #1486
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There are going to be the new Indian. . . open . . closed . . bankrupt . . purchased . . broke . . . crap new model . . bankrupt . . .overpriced . . . closed . . . .moved . . . etc etc blah blah blah. Rinse and repeat.
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:02 AM   #1487
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There are going to be the new Indian. . . open . . closed . . bankrupt . . purchased . . broke . . . crap new model . . bankrupt . . .overpriced . . . closed . . . .moved . . . etc etc blah blah blah. Rinse and repeat.
Do you ever have anything to say that isn't completely pessimistic and negative?

Jolly old england my ass!
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:51 PM   #1488
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do you ever have anything to say that isn't completely pessimistic and negative?

Jolly old england my ass!
lol! Oh Bueller, lighten up. You have your opinions and I have mine, say what you want and I'll do the same. In my opinion this company will not be around long based on the type of motorcycle and the price point they have chosen. I hope that wasn't too pessimistic or negative.

QUOTE:> Jolly old england my ass! I really don't want to and is this a buckeye thing?

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Old 07-21-2012, 05:30 PM   #1489
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lol! Oh Bueller, lighten up. You have your opinions and I have mine, say what you want and I'll do the same. In my opinion this company will not be around long based on the type of motorcycle and the price point they have chosen. I hope that wasn't too pessimistic or negative.

QUOTE:> Jolly old england my ass! I really don't want to and is this a buckeye thing?

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Old 07-21-2012, 06:03 PM   #1490
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QUOTE:> Jolly old england my ass! I really don't want to and is this a buckeye thing?
It's not that kind of party.
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:46 PM   #1491
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I hope they fail. The only thing that looks factory is the engine, frame and fairing. Everything else looks an aftermarket special. The nerve of charging that much...fuck 'em.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:52 PM   #1492
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I hope they fail. The only thing that looks factory is the engine, frame and fairing. Everything else looks an aftermarket special. The nerve of charging that much...fuck 'em.
. Those bastards. Who do they think they are, trying to make money.
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Old 07-22-2012, 02:56 PM   #1493
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I would have thought that $30K was prohibitive, but I talked to someone recently who said he spent $38K on some H-D special model (they don't have too many of those, do they) bagger. I didn't think you could spend that much on a regular factory Harley.

I think Motus's problem will be convincing people they'll be around for the long run, and not be left with an orphan you can't get parts for.

Is there any firm release date yet?
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:56 PM   #1494
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Is there any firm release date yet?
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Old 07-22-2012, 06:58 PM   #1495
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As for the price, which is more than I am willing to pay for a bike, haven't you noticed how many 30-50 year old males that drive Porsches, BMW's, Audi's, Mercedes etc? These guys have money to blow and like to have something that others can't afford.

From what I have read, Motus's business model doesn't require huge numbers to be profitable. All they need to do is sell a couple hundred bikes in each of the next few years and then slowy release additional models as they gain experience. I think there are enough of those above type of guys to achieve their modest sales goals. I do hope that they succeed which means one day I might be able to own one, even if it is a used one.

Time will tell.

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Old 07-22-2012, 09:28 PM   #1496
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As for the price, which is more than I am willing to pay for a bike, haven't you noticed how many 30-50 year old males that drive Porsches, BMW's, Audi's, Mercedes etc? These guys have money to blow and like to have something that others can't afford.

From what I have read, Motus's business model doesn't require huge numbers to be profitable. All they need to do is sell a couple hundred bikes in each of the next few years and then slowy release additional models as they gain experience. I think there are enough of those above type of guys to achieve their modest sales goals. I do hope that they succeed which means one day I might be able to own one, even if it is a used one.

Time will tell.

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There are definitely enough people who can afford one, even in this economy, to keep Motus afloat. The key will be whether Motus will be able to convince them to buy one or not. I too really hope Motus succeeds, because even with the negativity on this site towards them, I really want one, but I am afraid it will have to be a used one.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:06 AM   #1497
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As much as I'd love to "buy American" there is no way in hell I'm going to shell out $35k+ for a bespoke product with no dealer network, limited availability of parts and no reputation. For the price of this, I could buy several bikes and still have change left over for farkles and other fun stuff.

If this were $18k, ok, sure.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:11 AM   #1498
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as much as i'd love to "buy american" there is no way in hell i'm going to shell out $35k+ for a bespoke product with no dealer network, limited availability of parts and no reputation. For the price of this, i could buy several bikes and still have change left over for farkles and other fun stuff.

If this were $18k, ok, sure.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:29 AM   #1499
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As much as I'd love to "buy American" there is no way in hell I'm going to shell out $35k+ for a bespoke product with no dealer network, limited availability of parts and no reputation. For the price of this, I could buy several bikes and still have change left over for farkles and other fun stuff.

If this were $18k, ok, sure.
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I guess neither one of you are in their target market.

All I have stated is that there are enough guys (& gals) who won't have an issue with the price tag for a limited production exotic bike.

Bimota has a similar demographic, but they use someone else's motor. At least Motus developed (with help) their own engine.

I think they have the best chance of succeding with an American sport bike since Buell was bought by HD.

On second thought, we all now know how that worked out but I don't think it was Buell's fault that they failed. HD never let them be the bike company that they wanted to become.

Regardless, whether or not I ever own or even ride one, I hope they succeed.

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I guess neither one of you are in their target market.

All I have stated is that there are enough guys (& gals) who won't have an issue with the price tag for a limited production exotic bike.

Bimota has a similar demographic, but they use someone else's motor. At least Motus developed (with help) their own engine.

I think they have the best chance of succeding with an American sport bike since Buell was bought by HD.

On second thought, we all now know how that worked out but I don't think it was Buell's fault that they failed. HD never let them be the bike company that they wanted to become.

Regardless, whether or not I ever own or even ride one, I hope they succeed.

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Your correct! I am not saying that if my economic status was to change that my opinion of wanting one would change, it would. I really like the design, look, engine, etc... in fact I like the "R" version. I am also already in the habit of wanting limited production items just ends up to happen 20 years after they were introduced to the market and 10's thousands cheaper then introduction.
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