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Old 12-29-2012, 07:39 PM   #1846
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... The point is. The Motus is a high priced and VERY small piece of a VERY small piece of the pie. All the bikes listed above are great bikes! All of the Bikes listed above have good to great dealer networks. All of the bikes above are priced at a third less to half the cost of the Motus.

Tell me again how you think Motus will make it. If a larger company (such as Polaris) bought them they just might have a chance. MIGHT!
And they plan to start at about 300 a year. U.S. roadbike sales are at about 200K in our current depressed economy. If sport-tourers are 1% of that, that's 2000 bikes. The sport-touring market is probably well above average in income, bike knowledge, and demand for functionality. Capturing 300 out of that market seems ambitious, but not ridiculous, if the bike is very good to ride.

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Old 12-29-2012, 10:31 PM   #1847
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I like the thing. Lose the givi barf bags and it looks to be a damn fine bike. I hope it gets picked up... developed, given a price reduction and is around for many years to come.
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:36 AM   #1848
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Fwiw....

...I sat on the Motus in Houston during their tour. That bike has THE GREAT RIDING POSITION. I can flat foot it, and the set-up is perfect.

I love this bike, but.......

They will have a helluva time convincing me to buy one without ABS.

When I can go to a Honda store and buy a VFR1200F with ABS and Traction control and Honda development and reliability and dealer support for roughly $15,000, the Motus just becomes a boutique bike for wealthy collectors--not that there's anything WRONG with that, but that's not me.

I REALLY hope they succeed. But don't kid yourself, it will be very, very, very, tough for them to make it.

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Old 12-30-2012, 07:27 AM   #1849
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:52 AM   #1850
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...I sat on the Motus in Houston during their tour. That bike has THE GREAT RIDING POSITION. I can flat foot it, and the set-up is perfect. I love this bike, but.......

They will have a helluva time convincing me to buy one without ABS.

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Old 01-02-2013, 07:12 AM   #1851
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I like the thing. Lose the givi barf bags and it looks to be a damn fine bike. I hope it gets picked up... developed, given a price reduction and is around for many years to come.
A premium priced sport tourer with cheap Givi luggage. Hopefully they will rethink that if the bike ever goes into production.
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:33 AM   #1852
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A premium priced sport tourer with cheap Givi luggage. Hopefully they will rethink that if the bike ever goes into production.
What kind of luggage do you want?

Givis work pretty good and are pretty tough. Nothing wrong with Givi.
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:33 AM   #1853
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A premium priced sport tourer with cheap Givi luggage. Hopefully they will rethink that if the bike ever goes into production.
Cheap luggage?
Cordura is cheap. No hard bags are cheap.
Did you guys want some Corbin Beetle bags, or some H&B cooler style boxes?
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:16 AM   #1854
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Cheap luggage?
Cordura is cheap. No hard bags are cheap.
Did you guys want some Corbin Beetle bags, or some H&B cooler style boxes?

well, there is nothing wrong with givi bags, but on a bike in this price category they could have made more of a "bespoke" bag made specifically for the bike, not something you would buy off the shelf at twisted throttle and slap on your versys (not that there's anything wrong with that)

a random example of bags made specifically for the bike that fit the lines and style better, the norge
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:52 AM   #1855
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well, there is nothing wrong with givi bags, but on a bike in this price category they could have made more of a "bespoke" bag made specifically for the bike, not something you would buy off the shelf at twisted throttle and slap on your versys (not that there's anything wrong with that)

a random example of bags made specifically for the bike that fit the lines and style better, the norge


200 to 300 Motus per year vs how many Norge sales? Probably a few thousand. In addition I think they also fit other Guzzis as an accesory so even their economy of scale is in a different league.
Bespoke bags would probably have added thousands of dollars to the cost vs. hundreds for the Givi. Honda charges about $1000 for a set these days. I didn't think my Honda/Givi top case was too cheap in any way.
So many around here are bitching about the price already, and side bags are a part time proposition for most.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:00 AM   #1856
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She is more available than the Motus will be in the next year......
In other words, I won't be riding either one anytime soon.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:36 AM   #1857
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A premium priced sport tourer with cheap Givi luggage. Hopefully they will rethink that if the bike ever goes into production.
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a random example of bags made specifically for the bike that fit the lines and style better, the norge
the Norge bags were made to fit a whole line of Guzzis....I had those on my 1200 Sport, they'd fit my Stelvio with the stock mounts - and they're made by a company just like Givi...Nonfango. Those companies make bags for Ducati, Guzzi, Aprilia (Capo, Futura) etc.

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In addition I think they also fit other Guzzis as an accesory so even their economy of scale is in a different league.
Bespoke bags would probably have added thousands of dollars to the cost vs. hundreds for the Givi. Honda charges about $1000 for a set these days.
The bags for the Norge, when I ordered the color matched red for my 1200 Sport - were around $1,000 with mounting brackets.


For Motus to use Givi bags and have people think they cheaped out....is comical at best.

NO motorcycle manufacturer makes their own luggage - it's all farmed out to the companies like Givi, Nonfango, etc.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:05 PM   #1858
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I think the point of criticism of using the Givi bags isn't that they are inferior, but they lack the image of being one-of-a-kind. They are a generic element to a bike that will rely largely on image and being a one of a kind bike to sell.
It was a marketing decision on their part, and I doubt they will lose any sales for it. If I were interested in the bike I'd prefer it to have unique luggage, although it would not be a sale stopper.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:11 PM   #1859
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If I were interested in the bike I'd prefer it to have unique luggage, although it would not be a sale stopper.
Are the Givis optional? You don't have to pick the factory cases especially if you're looking for unique; I'm running Pelican luggage on the Uly.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:14 PM   #1860
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If your opinion of the bikes is based on the luggage, I think you're missing the point of the bike completely.

Now, Motus. Either send me that hottie in the picture, or send me a bike! (and I already have a bike.....)
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