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Old 03-16-2012, 05:59 PM   #961
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Guys, this is business 101. If you are going to be a low volume, high value company, you need to be premium priced and exclusive.
Fair enough, but in that case you shouldn't use headlights borrowed from KTM and Two Bros mufflers, nor does it help if you drop your most distinguishing technological feature that you've been touting all along as one of your main selling points (GDI) a week before the official unveiling.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:01 PM   #962
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People spend substantially more than 24k for Harley's all the time. If I remember correctly, my bud spent 37K for his Screaming Eagle farkled bagger... and I'm pretty sure he's not all that unusual. I imagine the 30k range will find a market to sell quite a few of these bikes.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:19 PM   #963
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So who was the person who initiated the rumor that it would be around $25,000? Everyone should stop crying and be stoked that this bike is really going into production.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:25 PM   #964
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So who was the person who initiated the rumor that it would be around $25,000? Everyone should stop crying and be stoked that this bike is really going into production.
well said


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Old 03-16-2012, 06:51 PM   #965
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No way in hell am I paying that for a start-up company bike, first year off the ground, with bugs to work out, no indication if the company will be around in 2 years...

Hell, I would not pay that if it had been a proven platform for 25 years.

I can get 2.5 FJRs and mods and be quite content.

Or a Connie + a FJR
or a K1600 + a KTM
Or a ___ + a ___


I wonder how many folks that plopped down a deposit are screaming for a refund now.
It looks like they are trying to re-coup the R&D very quickly
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:58 PM   #966
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Where is the cruise control on the fly by wire? At least as an option. Please
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Old 03-16-2012, 07:38 PM   #967
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People spend substantially more than 24k for Harley's all the time. If I remember correctly, my bud spent 37K for his Screaming Eagle farkled bagger... and I'm pretty sure he's not all that unusual. I imagine the 30k range will find a market to sell quite a few of these bikes.
Not quite accurate. Just for perspective, the only HDs that sell for substantially over $24K are the Screamin Eagle models like your bud bought and those make up less than 5% of all HDs sold each model year.

The fully equipped Electra Glide Ultra Limited is just over $25, with most touring bikes, ie., Road Glide, Street Glide, Road King, Electra Glide in the $19-24K range and Softails and Dynas in the $16-18K range.

The problem for Motus will be to grow sales after the first year launch. Most HD owners started out with a $7-10K Sportster (if they bought new) and moved up to the higher priced bikes. Brand loyalty, like it or not, is the envy of every bike manufacturer in the world. After the first 100 Motus are sold, where do they go the find the next in line to buy a $30-35 bike in sales years 2 and 3?
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Old 03-16-2012, 07:42 PM   #968
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No way in hell am I paying that for a start-up company bike, first year off the ground, with bugs to work out, no indication if the company will be around in 2 years...

Hell, I would not pay that if it had been a proven platform for 25 years.

I can get 2.5 FJRs and mods and be quite content.

Or a Connie + a FJR
or a K1600 + a KTM
Or a ___ + a ___


I wonder how many folks that plopped down a deposit are screaming for a refund now.
It looks like they are trying to re-coup the R&D very quickly
I think I would rather have this bike than 2.5 FJR's.
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Old 03-16-2012, 07:43 PM   #969
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From Motorcycle Daily.com:



The bikes will go into production this fall, and Motus is taking reservations from a limited number of customers. They can choose from two models, the $30,975MST or higher-spec $36,975 MST-R, and both bikes are well-equipped. The MST gets a fully adjustable Öhlins front fork and Progressive Suspension rear shock, Brembo brake calipers, Givi side cases, a Sargent seat, centerstand, 720-watt alternator and the incredible Pratt and Miller 1650cc liquid-cooled pushrod V-Four rated at 165 horsepower and 122 foot-pounds of torque. Other items of interest: built-in Powerlet accesory plugs, ride-by-wire throttle, dual-overdrive transmission (not explained in Motus’ press materials but I assume that means both fifth and sixth gears are overdriven, which makes sense with such a torquey engine) and to address the concerns of driveshaft fans, an XW-ring chain rated to 20,000 miles and a “hybrid” rear sprocket with a lifetime warranty.

The MST-R, priced at (gulp!) $36,975 adds race-quality Öhlins components front and back, forged monobloc Brembo calipers, forged OZ wheels and an upgraded powerplant that makes 185 hp, in case 165 hp is too weak for you. Accessories include a Givi topcase, different windscreens, and heated grips and seat. Colors for both bikes are limited to white or black.

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Old 03-16-2012, 08:01 PM   #970
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I gotta say I am dissapointed- I think they missed the mark- I see this in watches all the time but usually it doesnt happen that an unproven company comes in with an insane price and then goes down- lets be seriosu its too damned much money and in this economy?? am I wrong to think it resembles a ninja?
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:13 PM   #971
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To clear up something, the pipes will not be Two Brothers, they will be Akro. The handle bars have tons of adjustability in just about every way imaginable. The bikes are top tier parts everywhere.They are expensive compared to other bikes, but they are unique in many ways. I am so pulling for these guys. I can't afford a $30,000 bike right now, but I am still hoping to own one one day.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:20 PM   #972
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$31,000 for the base and $37000 for the MST?

They will sell all 200 bikes in the first year... and another 200 in the second year for "collectors" who want that exclusive caché and be the center of attention at the Rock Store or at The Dragon, but how many of those collectors are out there...

Then you look at Confederate Motorcycles and they charge upwards of $70,000 to $100K for artsy bikes.. and they don't seem to be going out of business.

So the Motus is not for the working stiffs like most of us here. Kind of like the Tesla electric car... sexy and exclusive.. but what's with the KTM headlight?

I like the bike but not at that price.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:21 PM   #973
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What is the household income for someone in the market for a $31,000 or $37,000 bike ?

I averaged out the price I paid for the last 10 bikes I bought and it came out to $1182 per bike. I rode 20,000 miles last year.
Somehow I don't think I'm in the Motus target area.
I do like the idea, the execution and their spirit .
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:22 PM   #974
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Motus wouldn't get any financial backing if their business plan was to go low volume and compete on price with the mass market.

They better have a product that differentiates. Low volume, low value, high price doesn't work either.
I wonder how that's working out for Fisker and Tesla.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:35 PM   #975
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Too pricey for me, but like the concept. I'll wait and see about the execution when enough road tests are in.

I'm sure there are plenty of Goldman Sachs types who have this in their sights. The rest of will have to dream.
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