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Old 01-13-2010, 11:40 PM   #136
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Well mine definately is not drag pipe Harley loud, if that's what you mean.
It doesn't set off car alarms or anything. And it's easy to keep the noise down in town by keeping the rpms low and using the throttle sparingly.
In the countryside it doesn't scare horses on pastures right next to the road even if I'm riding it in a more sporty manner.
But it does sound like a sporty motorcycle and not a 2hp lawn mower. Well, that's a bad comparison. Lawn mowers are much louder than new motorcycles!

The noise regulations are getting quite silly. On internet forums many buyers are worried about the "loud mechanical noises" from brand new water cooled japanese engines. Why? Because the exhaust is completely inaudible to the rider and even the smallest normal mechanical sound can easily be heard over it.
The next step must be packaking the engines in several inches of sound deadening foam as on most new bikes the mechanical sounds are louder than the exhaust
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:29 AM   #137
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The noise regulations are getting quite silly.
At least in the US, we have the most liberal noise regulations of anyplace in the world and if you're even halfway reasonable, you can generally run whatever you want. In Finland, I don't have the slightest idea what the regs are like, but your discussion concerns the noise level of new motorcycles, not what you can do after you buy them. The problem is that many motorcyclists are not being reasonable and certainly the reasonable bar is not "doesn't set off car alarms" or "doesn't startle livestock."

Without hearing your bike, I wouldn't know if yours is reasonable or not, but your initial characterization basically said you like a loud bike and could give a crap if it annoys others. That's precisely the attitude that results in "silly" noise regulations.

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Old 01-14-2010, 01:09 AM   #138
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but your initial characterization basically said you like a loud bike and could give a crap if it annoys others.
I must have edited my message, I can't find that kind of a comment.
I did write some people might find it obnoxious. There are people who find any motorcycle obnoxious and think they are all "too loud" and they are all "ridden recklessly" if they look fast etc
I also wrote that it is easy to ride my bike in a manner that keeps the noise down when necessary to avoid irritating people.
My bike does get noticed a lot but I can't remember any reaction that I can interpret as negative.

Usually what is perceived as "loud" depends mostly on other things than the actual sound pressure created by the bike. First of all the basic attitude of the person, whether he likes or dislikes motorcycles. Also the style of the bike, is it a cruiser or a sport bike. And the type of sound, is it deep and low or more high pitched. And the way the bike is being ridden, or the way the onlooker thinks the bike is being ridden (all sport bikes are assumed to be always recklessly speeding no matter what the actual speed is). The actual sound level is a small factor among the other variables.

But no point arguing as apparently you know what I think better than I do myself.
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Old 01-14-2010, 07:59 AM   #139
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Ugh let's please not turn this into a loud pipes thread; there are plenty of those in Perfect Line and Jo Momma. It's a good W thread, I'd hate for it to go to the basement.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:28 PM   #140
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Ugh let's please not turn this into a loud pipes thread; there are plenty of those in Perfect Line and Jo Momma. It's a good W thread, I'd hate for it to go to the basement.
I agree, sorry for the tangent.

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Old 01-14-2010, 09:00 PM   #141
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WooooHoooo

Thanksfully back on track. W porn ahead...please proceed.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:13 PM   #142
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Don't have pics yet. I got a set of Giant Loop Great Basin luggage for Xmas. They go on my Xchallenge, a SuperDuke, and the W650 and fit well.
www.giantloop.com
No side racks required. Easy on and off.
A nice option for the ole W!
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:29 PM   #143
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Don't have pics yet. I got a set of Giant Loop Great Basin luggage for Xmas. They go on my Xchallenge, a SuperDuke, and the W650 and fit well.
www.giantloop.com
No side racks required. Easy on and off.
A nice option for the ole W!
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I think you meant http://www.giantloopmoto.com/.

Simo was right. We can read other's minds here.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:10 PM   #144
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I think you meant http://www.giantloopmoto.com/.

Simo was right. We can read other's minds here.
Well in my case, it is a small mind...
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Old 01-15-2010, 07:07 AM   #145
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I met up with a couple of other W650 owners a few years back; one of them had a set of bags on his bike made by a company called LeatherLyke. I thought they went pretty well with the bike. (Sorry I didn't get a better picture.) They were easily removable, and had no obtrusive bracketry once removed. Not a huge capacity, but they didn't look too big for the bike, either.
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Old 01-15-2010, 08:33 AM   #146
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I have some questions;
I also have a BMW and a Royal Enfield. I'm sort of conerned that I don't do much to my Watchless. Clean the air filters, check the valves once in a blue moon... oh- I changed the fork oil once. Shouldn't I be doing
SOMETHING to keep this bike up? Does it really just keep running? What about that desmo deal- any adjustments there?

I don't think I ever had a clear-coated engine before. This is beginning to look a little yucky. Is my only choice to polish it and then keep polishing, if I don't take the lump out and re-spray?
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Old 01-15-2010, 09:38 AM   #147
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I just checked my valves as scheduled at 24 000 km. Three of the exhaust valves were too tight.

On the W650 Riders mailing list the word is DO NOT TOUCH the "desmo thingy" unless absolutely, positively unavoidable. Most attempts to adjust apparently have ended in tears. "If it isn't broken, don't fix it".

You could check and grease all the bearings. There have been reports that for example the swingarm bearings may tend to run dry. How about 'em steering head bearings? Checked them lately? Who knows what's going on in there...
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:48 AM   #148
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I met up with a couple of other W650 owners a few years back; one of them had a set of bags on his bike made by a company called LeatherLyke. I thought they went pretty well with the bike. (Sorry I didn't get a better picture.) They were easily removable, and had no obtrusive bracketry once removed. Not a huge capacity, but they didn't look too big for the bike, either.
If I'm not mistaken the owner of Leatherlyke owned a couple of W's. He was a sometime contributor on the Yahoo W Forum.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:38 AM   #149
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Special work?
What's your take overall on using the big cases?
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That is a five star rack. I'm debating on buying the luggage rack too. I have a third GIVI case and really could use that extra capacity on long tours. They require a little bit of special work to install on US models but it is definitely doable. They really work.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:56 PM   #150
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Special work?
What's your take overall on using the big cases?
Thx.
Currently I am using the E21's. The E45N's I used to do the Ky to LA trip sucked the life out of the motor due to aero. They have slab sided fronts and are 12 inches wide across the front. My fuel economy went throught the floor especially in those big headwinds out West. I haven't had enough time with the E21's yet to report. With the big GIVI's fuel economy went from 50 to 35! With our fuel capacity it meant reserve at 80 to 90 miles! Love the Five Star Racks they have a quality appearing chrome finish that actually works on the bike without the bags. Hopeing to add the top rack for a GIVI E36 topcase. I'm buying two E36N's with the idea that I can use them on the W and the F650 Dakar. Happy Trails SU racks for the F also have a lug kit available for their racks. Having the E21's and the E36's gives me a choice between running either set as side cases or the E21's as side cases and one E36 as a topcase on either bike.
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