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Old 11-29-2011, 08:22 AM   #781
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Hiya all
new guy here from ol blighty
been a lurker for awhile now.
I currently have 2 bikes , ER6F 09 facelift model(yes I need one to but will tell ya that later)
my other is a thundercat 600.
I'm selling my ER to buy a W650,failing that might buy a W800.
I cannot get away with the ER,nice bike but its the worst bike for comfort,well it is for me.
I've only done just under 3,000 miles in 3 years .it certainly put me off biking.
been riding two wheels since 1968 with a gap of 14 years you know marraige/kids and all that.
my friend recomended the W650 and its the only bike that he would have again.
sooo the more I thought about the MORE I WANT IT.
anyway I'll leave that for now. john
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Old 11-29-2011, 08:42 AM   #782
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this is cause by metal fatigue.
yes you may know this already
did or do you grab that bit to get your bike on and of its stand??
if so this will most definitely be the cause of it.
this also can happen through vibes ,do you carry a top box?
this can also cause it to.

when any metal is bent cold and probably warm to ,this causes stress in that area.
for example exhaust pipes on old bike inc new to can crack at the bend bit.
this a common fault with the early Norton interstate bikes as to the early ER6's.
these break especially on the ER bikes through vibs.
read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_(material) this explain better the reasons.
I've been a welder/fabricator for nearly 40 years. I'm semi retired now so I tend to forget what is what.
but I still continue welding/fabricating making grab rails/racks for classic bikes,
it keeps me out of mischief and she who must be obeyed
well thats it for now. john
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Old 12-02-2011, 03:57 PM   #783
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New guy

New guy here .I have been lusting after a w650 for as long as they have been out. This summer a nice 2000 showed up on craigslist about 20 miles from my home. the price was right and now its mine. The day after I brought it home I went for a 150 mile ride . When I got back I told my wife I don't think I will ever sell it. I also want to say I have read this thread from end to end and have enjoyed it very much. I would also like to ask a question , If any one knows how the heck to remove the knee pads from the gas tank. I just purchased an extra gas tank and I want to have it chromed like a royal enfield 750 intercepter tank.
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Old 12-02-2011, 05:36 PM   #784
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Knee Grip Removal

Welcome!

I haven't taken mine off, though I'm sure some here have and can do a better job of helping you.

The schematic in the service manual shows four (!!) parts to each "knee grip."

From the manual, page 2-21:

"Remove the sticker." This is the first layer; they show a photo of the outer part, in the center of the grip, being peeled away.

"Remove the bolts,[A], and remove the holder plate [B] and the knee grip rubber [C]."

"Remove the knee grip rubber from the bracket."

This leaves a large bracket on the exterior of the tank. Not so useful without the schematic and photos, but hope it helps.
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Old 12-03-2011, 05:32 AM   #785
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If any one knows how the heck to remove the knee pads from the gas tank. I just purchased an extra gas tank and I want to have it chromed like a royal enfield 750 intercepter tank.
Not sure if you're aware of it, or if it matters, but for the record, the rubber knee pads are thinner on the '01's than on the '00's.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:54 AM   #786
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this is cause by metal fatigue.
yes you may know this already
did or do you grab that bit to get your bike on and of its stand??
Nope.

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if so this will most definitely be the cause of it.
this also can happen through vibes ,do you carry a top box?
Of course, that's what it's for! Using the rack-maker's own Givi top box mounting kit, I might add, which indicates to me that they think the rack is suitable for carrying a top case.

I maintain that the Five Stars rack is utterly unfit for purpose. Those cracks developed over the course of less than 1000 miles with mostly an empty top case on the back.

I have not had any similar issues with the Hepco & Becker rack - it seems to be much better built and has been holding up great so far.
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Old 12-03-2011, 08:01 AM   #787
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Knee grip removal

Thanks for the information . Peel away outer cover, I would never have thought of that, I do know about the newer knee grips and I like them much better. If I could get a set I would use them for sure.
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:43 AM   #788
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Hi Jerk
well it looks to me that metal fatigue is the cause of it.
its a pity you didn't live near me as I would have welded it up and put a support brace on it.
why not contact the makers ,I'm certain they will be interested.
if they are not the let this be a lesson to all others keep well away from these!john
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:55 PM   #789
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Hi Jerk
well it looks to me that metal fatigue is the cause of it.
its a pity you didn't live near me as I would have welded it up and put a support brace on it.
why not contact the makers ,I'm certain they will be interested.
if they are not the let this be a lesson to all others keep well away from these!john
I did. They weren't interested.
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:24 PM   #790
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I put one of the factory Kwak racks on my 2000 dubya a few days ago.....hope it fairs better, with no cracks forthcoming.

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Old 12-04-2011, 04:57 AM   #791
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I did. They weren't interested.

the folks who sold you it or the ones that made it?
the ones who sold you they will not be interested at all but if the manufacturers say the same thing .
then let it be a warning to others contemplating in buying one from them.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:47 AM   #792
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I put one of the factory Kwak racks on my 2000 dubya a few days ago.....hope it fairs better, with no cracks forthcoming.

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No worries. I've had one on mine for years, although it's not large enough to hold much weight let alone a large top case. It sits below seat level so not useful as an extension for back seat storage but it looks right on the bike IMO. I didn't think these were available anymore. Good luck with yours. I assume this is the one.

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Old 12-04-2011, 01:04 PM   #793
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theres a couple from Germany, kawasaki I'm not sure,
I made 3 to sell on eBay
this was made for the w800 but it may also fit the 650?
I wont know till I get one next year.
trying to sell my current bike but it is a bad time of the year.
(measurements...rear 212mm,front 300mm,rear to front 850mm.4 x 10mm holes).
if any of you guys want one with a brace across the bend ,that I can do.
if the add men don't like this then please feel free to remove.
I didn't join this forum to sell my ware's.
just to get info as I will own either W650 or the W800. john





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Old 12-04-2011, 01:15 PM   #794
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Well . . . .

Just made two more mods to the Dub and took it for a little afternoon spin. Not quite sure of the exact "cause," but I'm certain of the "effect." Handling feels really good now!

First mod--simple; put on a Corbin Gunfighter seat that I just bought used from an inmate on the Yahoo group. (Thanks, Reid)! Corbin's by design are very firm--hard, even. The seat is easy to move around on (maybe too easy), and easy to slide a cheek off in a corner. The firm seat is also a complete tactile change of the "butt/motorsickle interface." Previously in bumpy corners, the Dub felt like it had a hinge in the middle--though much better if I put a knee firmly against the tank. I'm suspecting much of what I felt was the squishy stock seat when the bike moved underneath me.

Second mod--dropped the triple tree on the forks. The top of the fork tube is now about 8mm above the top triple tree. Such a small amount, yet the bike turns in much, much better. Actually wants to go around corners now. Between this and an easier "hang slightly off" it almost feels like a different motorcycle.

All suspension mods:
Hagon rear shocks. Had 20kg, returned for 18kg. Might even be ok with 16kg.

Race Tech front springs and gold valve emulators. Very little preload. Spring weight is what they sent me, stock emulator springs but compression dampening all the way out--as light as possible.

Superbrace fork brace

Dropped front end 8mm.

Other mods:
Corbin seat
Low bars (el-cheapos, and they work fine)
long mirrors
Air screws @3 1/4 turns out
Vacuum blocked.


With all that, today was the best the Dub has ever felt.
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Old 12-05-2011, 05:29 AM   #795
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It's funny, when I first get on the bike, it feels like it's resisting changing direction. As the ride progresses, it's seems fine, or maybe I just don't notice it anymore.

Other people have ridden my bike and commended about it also. They say when they first get on it, it feels like it doesn't want to turn, but by the end of the ride they say they "get it".

Has anyone else done the raising the forks in the clamps?
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