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Old 09-17-2012, 06:03 PM   #61
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I considered a ST sat on it and looked over the body panels, ended up buying a "used" (875 miles) 2004 R1150 RS, for two main reasons, cramped riding position (more stretched out, less cramped knees, higher bars, I'm 6'2"). and the body panels felt thin and cheap. The RRS's body was more flowing and in ivory/grey a prettier bike. People literally stop and look at the RRS!

Also never buy the 1st year of any bike!!!!!!!
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:45 PM   #62
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Hmmm

My local BMW dealer used one as a loner bike... I rode it through the Malibu canyons while they were doing a routine sevice on my bike.After riding it, I understood why they used it as a loner bike.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:22 AM   #63
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I considered a ST sat on it and looked over the body panels, ended up buying a "used" (875 miles) 2004 R1150 RS, for two main reasons, cramped riding position (more stretched out, less cramped knees, higher bars, I'm 6'2"). and the body panels felt thin and cheap. The RRS's body was more flowing and in ivory/grey a prettier bike. People literally stop and look at the RRS!

Also never buy the 1st year of any bike!!!!!!!
I had a first year R1100RS:



And a first year R1200ST:



And a fist year R1200GS:



All great bikes.

I rode all of them over 50K miles.

By the way, the ST is, IMHO, a far superior bike to the RS, and though the bady pannels might be a bit thinner, then can take a lot of punishment. Mine was hit from behind at 50mph, and thrown into a pickup truck. None of the body pannels were more than slightly scratched, and the bike only needed a new muffler to be ridable.

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Old 09-18-2012, 10:14 AM   #64
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+1; mainly because of the better gear spacings, and the elimination of surging.

I had an 1150RS for a few years, and the thing that strikes me the most about the ST over the RS is how "flexible" the engine is in 6th gear. Both bikes have the same overall gearing in 6th, giving 80 mph at 4,000 rpm, but the ST will happily run as low as 3,200 rpm in top, while the RS seemed to be unhappy at anything under 3,800 rpm. Any thoughts on why this might be, Jim, other than the lower weight of the bike, and the greater horsepower?

[Note to board: my normal operating rpm is 4,000]

The other thing that I can't figure out is why the fuel mileage is so much better. I was getting an average of 43 mpg (U.S.) on the RS and the ST gets 52.

I just rode the ST back to back with a Ducati ST2, and found it corners equally well, and seems to turn in a bit quicker. My bike has a Battleaxe 16 and 20.

To date, my only nit about the ST is the abrupt throttle activation at low speeds in the lower gears

But I have fond memories of my beautiful Pacific Blue RS.

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I dropped the footpegs 40 mm with a Verholen kit, and have the bars in the full up position. I'm 6'1" with a 35" inseam, and these changes make the bike reasonably comfortable for me. The peg to ground distance is the same as an RT, after installation of the kit.

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Old 09-19-2012, 11:03 AM   #65
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+1; mainly because of the better gear spacings, and the elimination of surging.



The other thing that I can't figure out is why the fuel mileage is so much better. I was getting an average of 43 mpg (U.S.) on the RS and the ST gets 52.




I dropped the footpegs 40 mm with a Verholen kit, and have the bars in the full up position. I'm 6'1" with a 35" inseam, and these changes make the bike reasonably comfortable for me. The peg to ground distance is the same as an RT, after installation of the kit.

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MPG on the RS isn't good, my KRS did way better. No need to spend something like $250 for a foot peg lowering kit for the RRS. The RRS fits taller riders w/o modification. No surging issues w/ a twin spark, or at least mine. Also no can bus to deal with. Good wind protection for both I'm sure.

I'm sure the ST does have a sweet motor but the RRS is still good.

The RRS is sexier than the ST from any angle! Last of the BMW's w/o transformer looks..unless your into that

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Old 09-19-2012, 01:56 PM   #66
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Yes, on all counts. If mine had had the twin spark engine, I could have lived with the transmission.

If fit me very well.

If I had unlimited funds, I'd get the RS and have an HP2 Sport engine and transmission installed.

But I'm really happy with the ST; and even with how it looks.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:10 PM   #67
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Yeah, I'd like to try the R1200 motor, as I'm sure it's sweet. Isn't it 110 HP??? 15 more than the R1150RS twin spark
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:36 PM   #68
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Yeah, I'd like to try the R1200 motor, as I'm sure it's sweet. Isn't it 110 HP??? 15 more than the R1150RS twin spark
And 60 pounds lighter!

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Old 09-20-2012, 10:20 AM   #69
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Yes. And it pulls hard from down low. I love getting it on the pipe, on one of our high Rocky Mountain passing lanes, and listening to the Remus Symphony.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:11 PM   #70
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And 60 pounds lighter!

Jim

I knew the plastic panels were thinner than the RRS, but wow what a difference...
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:39 AM   #71
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And, as Jim says, those panels are tough. I dropped mine on a ferry ramp a few weeks ago, and there are just minor scuff marks.

First time I've gone down since I slid a Vespa across the road, many, many, years ago.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:03 AM   #72
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If the ST was selling they wouldn't have booted it. Buyers avoided the ST in droves.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:43 PM   #73
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If the ST was selling they wouldn't have booted it. Buyers avoided the ST in droves.

Absolutely true, because most hated the headlight, and for the same price you could get an R1200RT or R1200GS.

However, since its demise, it has become much more popular!

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Old 09-21-2012, 03:28 PM   #74
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And the low sales numbers have made it more exclusive, IMO.

In any event, mine draws a crowd wherever it goes.
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The Yogi Berra theory in inverse...."Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded..."

When the ST was out, I asked a friend of mine who owned a dealership if he was selling a few of them, and he said "yes, very few of them!"




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Absolutely true, because most hated the headlight, and for the same price you could get an R1200RT or R1200GS.

However, since its demise, it has become much more popular!

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