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Old 09-21-2012, 04:39 PM   #76
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On paper at least, the R1200ST seems like it's an evolution of the R1100S in the same way the R1200GS was an evolution of the R1150GS.

Substantially similar ergos/packaging, less weight and more power. I suppose the R1200ST has better passenger accommodations and ditches the froofroo underseat exhaust.

I never got the uglybike chorus, in fact I pretty much never get the ugly_xyz chorus, since aesthetics are so subjective.

Anyone with miles on an R1200ST also have miles on a 5th gen VFR 800? I went to a GS and missed the sporty edge of the viffer, especially above 90mph, been pondering various ST type bikes of late.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:49 PM   #77
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I looked at a nice clean silver used one a couple yrs ago, and didn't buy it. I am kickingmyself now. I hope to try to find one next spring/summer. I like ugly bikes.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:33 PM   #78
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On paper at least, the R1200ST seems like it's an evolution of the R1100S in the same way the R1200GS was an evolution of the R1150GS.

Substantially similar ergos/packaging, less weight and more power. I suppose the R1200ST has better passenger accommodations and ditches the froofroo underseat exhaust.

I never got the uglybike chorus, in fact I pretty much never get the ugly_xyz chorus, since aesthetics are so subjective.

Anyone with miles on an R1200ST also have miles on a 5th gen VFR 800? I went to a GS and missed the sporty edge of the viffer, especially above 90mph, been pondering various ST type bikes of late.
I always saw the ST as the sucessor to the RS. The R1100S became the R1200S.

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Old 09-21-2012, 10:21 PM   #79
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I always saw the ST as the sucessor to the RS. The R1100S became the R1200S.

Jim
I've seen that same analogy made, and to an extent I think it makes sense, but mostly in regards to market position/psychographics.

I plug my numbers into cycle-ergo.com, 6'2" 32" inseam, and the resulting rider triangles for :

R1100S, Knee 73* Lean 28*
R1200ST, Knee 74* Lean 21* (if I input 1" down and .25" forward to account for the low position of the adjustable bars, I get a forward lean of 24*)
VFR 800 (98-01), Knee 73* Lean 25*
R1200S, Knee 77* Lean 35*
CBR1100XX, Knee 74* Lean 33*
R1100S, Knee 73* Lean 16*

At least per this limited 2-dimensional analysis, the ST is ergonomically in there with the VFR and it's cohort, the new R1200S having the riding position of the blackbird (and other similar not-hardcore sportbikes like superhawks, falcos, SVs).

Obviously there are countless ergonomic factors not represented in the above table, and then there is that entire psychographic factor I mentioned earlier, as well as riders painting qualities they like onto bikes they like.

A Ducati Monster and a VFR have similar rider triangles, so clearly there is more at play.

That's my little detour, heh.

http://www.onewheeldrive.net/2005/12...nian-identity/ has a head-on shot of the two together, even though side on they're not so different, you can clearly see the ST being a wider affair head on (despite being decently lighter)

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Old 09-23-2012, 06:59 PM   #80
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I just pulled the trigger on a super clean 2005 ST with 15k on it. I can't wait. Took it for a 90 minute test ride and it felt just as good if not better through the turns and slabbing as my 2004 Ducati ST3. Wife preferred the BMW over the Ducati for the 2-up perspective.
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:21 PM   #81
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I just pulled the trigger on a super clean 2005 ST with 15k on it. I can't wait. Took it for a 90 minute test ride and it felt just as good if not better through the turns and slabbing as my 2004 Ducati ST3. Wife preferred the BMW over the Ducati for the 2-up perspective.
If you don't mind my asking, how much?

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Old 09-23-2012, 08:31 PM   #82
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I just pulled the trigger on a super clean 2005 ST with 15k on it. I can't wait. Took it for a 90 minute test ride and it felt just as good if not better through the turns and slabbing as my 2004 Ducati ST3. Wife preferred the BMW over the Ducati for the 2-up perspective.
From Hermy's? It looks pretty schweet! Good luck!

I'm very happy with mine. Got myself a performance award last fall in WV. Going back in 2 weeks and hope to do it again!




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Old 09-23-2012, 08:57 PM   #83
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If you don't mind my asking, how much?

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$7995 and yes from Hermy's.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:14 AM   #84
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$7995 and yes from Hermy's.
Great price!

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Old 09-24-2012, 09:47 AM   #85
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Congrats, Dan. I paid $10,000 for mine, a few months ago, and it had 10,000 miles on the clock, and came with three cases and a tank bag.

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...it felt just as good, if not better, through the turns...as my ST3...
I find it hard to describe the difference in how these two bikes corner. The BMW feels a bit quicker going into the corner, but the Duc has a nice arcing feel, once in the corner. The difference may just be tires. The other curious thing is that the Duc has a tighter steering head angle (24 degrees) than the BMW (27 degrees).

The BMW has a nicer ride, and is more comfortable. Also, throttle effort is lighter.

I'm a big fan of the ST2/3, and almost bought one, but I'm glad I got the ST.

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Old 09-24-2012, 12:26 PM   #86
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It has the 3 BMW bags, ABS, and heated grips. They gave me a very fair value on my trade. It was very comfortable and at least as fast as the ST3. As I said the wife picked the BMW hands down.
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Old 09-24-2012, 12:45 PM   #87
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As Andy Reid says: "well bought".

I looked for about a year before I found mine. I wanted silver on blue or graphite on Piemont Red, like yours. I actually found one right here in Calgary, but the guy changed his mind.

The Ducs I looked at were about 25% less money, which is pretty good value. My buddy with the ST2, who rode my bike, described the ride as "plush", which is the same term that one of the Brit motojournalists used.
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:17 PM   #88
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TJ has the black & red. Mine is blue & silver.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:13 PM   #89
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Question for the current owners; does the Twisted Throttle engine guards & highway pegs mount without any issues from the side fairings?
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Question for the current owners; does the Twisted Throttle engine guards & highway pegs mount without any issues from the side fairings?
There is no conflict with the fairings. The only problem I ran into was during the install. There is a bolt that gets replaced that runs all the way through the top of the engine. It took a little muscle (understatement of the year) to break the original one loose.

I was glad to discover that the crash bars do not need to be removed in order to remove the valve covers. Valve checks are still a breeze.
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