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Old 05-08-2012, 09:32 AM   #1666
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Well today is the culmination of a 10 month long project to develop, manufacture and bring to market a set of real fit for purpose adventure luggage. Actually I had been hoping to do something since the end of 2009, but its only now that its come to fruition.

Most of you know the idea ... Hard boxes are clearly not suited to the type of travel I am doing. The more off road your travels are, the more you need soft luggage rather than hard luggage.

But existing soft luggage doesnt do the job. No-one in the soft luggage business seems to know what adventure travellers actually need when it comes to transcontinental or RTW journeys. In my experience, the bags of canvas (AndyStrapz, Steel Ponys) are not water resistant, nor are they abrasion resistant, and they have no security. Plastic roll bags (Wolfman, Ortlieb, Endurostan) are too small, not low enough, have little to no abrasion resistance and no security.

Having tried pretty much everything out there and still frustrated by the shortage of features, I decided to build a set for myself. I wanted bags that were capable of carrying a good 35 litres of stuff. The bigger the bags are, the more weight you can get down low, and the smaller your back bag needs to be. I wanted bags that could keep your stuff dry. In the end I decided a removeable waterproof dry bag liner was the best solution as you can take your dry stuff out in a 5 second grab - and take it into your tent - or accommodation - without having to rummage thru the bag in the rain, or take a wet muddy outer bag into a tent or hotel.

Then the bags had to be lockable - a few ideas came and went before I decided to use PacSafe WrapSafe cables. The advantage of these cables is that you can not only lock the bags shut, but you can lock the bags to your luggage rack - by routing the cable through it. The bags have loops front and back for routing the cable and holding it to the bag. So by doing that we had the first motorcycle soft bags that actually offer some sort of security and lockability.

But to complete the security picture we wanted to make the bags slash proof. Not much point locking the bags shut if someone can just slice them open in 2 seconds. Again everything including internal wire mesh was considered, before deciding to sandwich a layer of Kevlar / Twaron in the bag construction. Its extremely difficult to cut and is used in stab proof and bullet proof vests. This puncture restance further adds to the durability of the bags.

Finally the outer material ... Cordura has earned a very good reputation as an extremely abrasion resistant fabric. Many riding pants and jackets are made from 600 denier Cordura. To imagine the durability difference between Cordura and canvas, imagine wearing canvas jeans and sliding down an asphalt road on them - as compared to the same with normal Cordura riding jacket and pants. To make sure of the durability and ruggedness of the product, we decided to pass on the 600 denier Cordura and go straight for 1000 denier Cordura - almost twice as thick and many times as strong. With a outer bag sandwich of 1000D Cordura AND Kevlar / Twaron fabric, the bag is much much much tougher than anything on the market in terms of durability and survivability.

So thats the idea, to make the toughest, most durable RTW soft bags that are waterproof, slashproof, abrasion resistant and lockable - since they are the shortcomings I have experienced in existing soft bags on the market.

Having got to that point, I handed the project over to my friends at Adventure-Spec to manufacture, market and distribute. (sales@adventure-spec.com)

This afternoon, a package arrived from Adventure-Spec ...


Out of the packaging they look like this:


These are the cable locks you need to buy to lock the bags:


Locking cables fitted to the bags
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:21 AM   #1667
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Sweet. I need a pair... even if I don't have the pannier frame for them yet. What is the recommend frame, BTW?
Do you happen to also know the price and their availability on the adventure-spec site ?
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:11 AM   #1668
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Sweet. I need a pair... even if I don't have the pannier frame for them yet. What is the recommend frame, BTW?
Do you happen to also know the price and their availability on the adventure-spec site ?
The recommended frame is this one ...

The X-Rack - which is now commercially available as well after also being in development for 9 months. From Hot-Rod in Holland (email: erik@hotrodwelding.nl)



I dont know the price or when the bags will be commercially available, but I suspect it will be soon. You would have to email on sales@adventure-spec.com to get more detail
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:16 PM   #1669
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The recommended frame is this one ...
The X-Rack - which is now commercially available as well after also being in development for 9 months. From Hot-Rod in Holland (email: erik@hotrodwelding.nl)
I first thought Erik had already devised a rear frame for the X, but no.. No, wait a minute: why couldn't Erik make X-Frames as well?! Only the natural next step and the missing piece, the rear steel frame. Make it better than the TT one, while you're at it.

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Old 05-08-2012, 03:17 PM   #1670
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Looking good. Still keen to see a video of you stabbing it with a swiss army knife and slashing it with a razor.
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:27 AM   #1671
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I first thought Erik had already devised a rear frame for the X, but no..
I had one off rack in 2009 and 2010 ... then I spoke to Erik about making a production rack - and prototypes went on my bike and Clear and Locks bike late last year, for testing in Morocco, but this time the pic above is the full finished production model.

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No, wait a minute: why couldn't Erik make X-Frames as well?! Only the natural next step and the missing piece, the rear steel frame. Make it better than the TT one, while you're at it.

Again ... its been discussed ... but I think Eriks preferred route now is just to buy the BMW subframe for the 09 X-Country and grind the footpegs off. - its more accurate than the TT one which has some holes in the wrong places.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:20 AM   #1672
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Nice work!

Looking forward to some pics on the bike and your further reviews!
+1 on the videos Taco suggested (DO put your strenght into the stabbing - slashing !!)

How much do they weigh ?, (Including "everything" i.e: cables, locks, inner waterproof bag, etc)
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:30 AM   #1673
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Well today is the culmination of a 10 month long project to develop, manufacture and bring to market a set of real fit for purpose adventure luggage. Actually I had been hoping to do something since the end of 2009, but its only now that its come to fruition.

...

But existing soft luggage doesnt do the job. No-one in the soft luggage business seems to know what adventure travellers actually need when it comes to transcontinental or RTW journeys. In my experience, the bags of canvas (AndyStrapz, Steel Ponys) are not water resistant, nor are they abrasion resistant, and they have no security. Plastic roll bags (Wolfman, Ortlieb, Endurostan) are too small, not low enough, have little to no abrasion resistance and no ...

Out of the packaging they look like this:

walter, are the bags same size and volume as steel ponny bags? Are they compatibile with big dual bikes, BMW 1200 GS for example
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:53 PM   #1674
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walter, are the bags same size and volume as steel ponny bags? Are they compatibile with big dual bikes, BMW 1200 GS for example
Yes, very close in dimensions to the steel ponys (when I used Steel Ponys myself, I found the size and dimensions of them to be their best feature) ... so yes compatible with 1200s. Almost all 1200s already have a luggage rack, making it even easier :)
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:57 PM   #1675
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Nice work!

Looking forward to some pics on the bike and your further reviews!
+1 on the videos Taco suggested (DO put your strenght into the stabbing - slashing !!)

How much do they weigh ?, (Including "everything" i.e: cables, locks, inner waterproof bag, etc)
I aint gonna stab a real bag, cause then I damage my cordura layer ... but I will suggest to the AS guys they do a demo on a piece of the scrap bag material made from the same sandwich as the real bags

Bags will come with removeable inner waterproof bags. Cables and locks I dont know. I think AS is going to try to do a bulk sourcing deal from PacSafe. If they cant get a decent deal, then it makes more sense for the customer to buy them themselves. If they can get a good deal, then they will probably be included. Obviously the final pricing will depend on whether or not they get a deal.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:29 PM   #1676
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Sweet. I need a pair... even if I don't have the pannier frame for them yet. What is the recommend frame, BTW?
Do you happen to also know the price and their availability on the adventure-spec site ?
I just received an email from Adv Spec and it seems the price is 300-350 BP ($482-$563 US).
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:24 PM   #1677
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Hi guys,
I found a new shiver 45 on Ebay Italy http://www.ebay.it/itm/FORCELLA-MARZ...item5d268a75ca

MARZOCCHI fork mod. SHIVER 45 GAS GAS and all bikes with a diameter as measures Technical features: - Stems 45 mm

- Sheath sup.
54 mm - Sheath inf. 57 mm - Foot mount axial screw holes with 8 mm spacing 95 mm

- Total length 935 mm
- Hole Axle Left Right 27.5 mm 24.5 mm Adjustable compression and rebound

What you think about it??

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Old 05-10-2012, 01:11 AM   #1678
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Hi guys,
I found a new shiver 45 on Ebay Italy http://www.ebay.it/itm/FORCELLA-MARZ...item5d268a75ca

MARZOCCHI fork mod. SHIVER 45 GAS GAS and all bikes with a diameter as measures Technical features: - Stems 45 mm

- Sheath sup.
54 mm - Sheath inf. 57 mm - Foot mount axial screw holes with 8 mm spacing 95 mm

- Total length 935 mm
- Hole Axle Left Right 27.5 mm 24.5 mm Adjustable compression and rebound

What you think about it??

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Nice find Imeni - they look like the factory 45mm shivers .. brand new ... 57mm lower triples ... DLC black stanchion tubes ... just need to fit the axle clamps from the BMWs
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:23 AM   #1679
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info I received from David @ AS ......thx, David

"I have a few pairs of the bags available for 350.00 currently the dimensions are 40x40x20cm." He will put in an order for ya. for yanks like me the dimensions are 16"x16"x8".

Nicely thought out design, colebatch, thanks for the hard work and perseverance on this project.

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