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Old 11-16-2009, 02:03 AM   #76
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Colebatch, apologies ahead of time if I'm not supposed to ask but how do you manage to adventure so much? with plans for large trips that for most would be once in a lifetime each year or two I'm curious.
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:18 AM   #77
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About the forks, there is this German guy (HP2) who used a pair of Marzzocchi Shiver forks. These slotted straight in the triple clamps. All he needed to do was remove the lower end from the BMW forks (axle clamps), and fit them to the Shivers. A job most any fork specialists can do.
Thanks Max, I have been in touch with him about that stuff
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:26 AM   #78
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Colebatch, do you have any photos of your rack and pannier mounting system without the panniers on. Want to get something made up as well over a standard X tank.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:24 AM   #79
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Hi Cruz,

Is this the picture you need?



But this is as it was originally made. I believe that Mr. Colebatch has the whole rack rebuild several times on his trip

Btw: Via this German thread I found out, that the Hepco & Becker rack fits over the Xtank also:

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Old 11-16-2009, 01:39 PM   #80
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Hey Colebatch - what tyres did you run on your trip/s? Been fiddling with a number of options over here. Seems a shame to work the suspension nicely then fit long-lasting but poor gripping tyres and have a bike with limited traction in the rough stuff. What compromise did you go for?
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:19 PM   #81
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Hey Colebatch - what tyres did you run on your trip/s? Been fiddling with a number of options over here. Seems a shame to work the suspension nicely then fit long-lasting but poor gripping tyres and have a bike with limited traction in the rough stuff. What compromise did you go for?
I used 2 different types

For the mainly asphalt and good gravel roads, 'hardpack' etc, I used Mefo Super Explorers. They are very similar to Heidenau K60s. Basically equivalent of TKC80 in grip, but much longer lasting ... they are good for 15,000 km. This is all you need for Central Asia and Mongolia.

For the more 'interesting' bits in Siberia, I used Michelin Deserts ... sometimes without bib-mousse, but for the really out in the middle of nowhere stuff I used mousse. These tyres were good for about 6,000km
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:23 PM   #82
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Got an email off of Nate at Dirt Tricks and he has one 48 tooth rear sprocket left (I bought 2 and left one so someone else could get one cause I'm a nice guy) they are $134.60each (edit that was with postage to Oz) from him not sure about BMW but

I asked if he is going to make any more but doesn't look likey unless there is a fair bit more interes, but this is his response to my question;
The shop we made them for is called BMW of Tigard Oregon. Their phone
number is: 503-597-7097 They also have a website, do a Google search
for BMW Tigard.
Thanks, Nate D.


google search done, result; http://www.bmwor.com/
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:54 PM   #83
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Great thread, thanks.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:35 AM   #84
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Hi Cruz,

Is this the picture you need?



But this is as it was originally made. I believe that Mr. Colebatch has the whole rack rebuild several times on his trip

Btw: Via this German thread I found out, that the Hepco & Becker rack fits over the Xtank also:


Yes Eric, perfect thanks very much for that.

In the first pic the X Tank isn't hard up against the angled down tube of the rear triangle like mine when it is bolted up. Is this a different setup or just not put together fully?
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:55 AM   #85
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...In the first pic the X Tank isn't hard up against the angled down tube of the rear triangle like mine when it is bolted up. Is this a different setup or just not put together fully?
You're right. It's just hanging on one bolt and not fully attached in that picture. Walter's the same as yours, just 60 mm wider
Herewith a picture of the rack in the making with the tank in it's normal position:

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Old 11-17-2009, 04:16 AM   #86
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Thanks Eric.

Before seeing Walters bike I had already planned to use Tioga or Deuter bicycle pannier bags and adapting their fitting racks but not sure if their fitting arrangement would handle a lot of hard movement on a motorbike.



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Old 11-17-2009, 06:10 AM   #87
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Before seeing Walters bike I had already planned to use Tioga or Deuter bicycle pannier bags and adapting their fitting racks but not sure if their fitting arrangement would handle a lot of hard movement on a motorbike.



Its the plastic clips that spoil it for the otherwise very good idea of taking push bike bags. As mentioned earlier, once the clips break, you have to attach them with hose clamps
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:29 AM   #88
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Is the plastic spine and clips just screwed onto the frame of those bags? You might be able to make a stronger mounting system. I have done some mountain bike touring and have broken plastic tabs. I just took the plastic off, bolted on some aluminum channel and added a bungy cord to get me home.

Colebatch - Thanks for taking the time to do this thread, you've given me some great ideas for future mods.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:42 AM   #89
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Its the plastic clips that spoil it for the otherwise very good idea of taking push bike bags. As mentioned earlier, once the clips break, you have to attach them with hose clamps
Colebatch, you have mentioned that you've been using soft luggage for a long time. I recently parted out the aluminum boxes and steel racks off my Dakar to some friends and am planning on making a lighter rack that will carry soft bags. How have previous bags mounted compared to the Ortlieb's? What diameter and wall thickness was the steel tubing that you used for the rack? Just curious as you said it all was a little weak for the abuse it took.

This is a really great thread. You've done a lot of interesting things with the bike. Honestly, the clip board is one of my favorite mods.

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Old 11-17-2009, 09:53 AM   #90
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Is the plastic spine and clips just screwed onto the frame of those bags? You might be able to make a stronger mounting system. I have done some mountain bike touring and have broken plastic tabs. I just took the plastic off, bolted on some aluminum channel and added a bungy cord to get me home.
Yep ... the plastic spine is just screwed into the fabric. I ended modding both bags by putting in a 2mm steel spine, effectively doubling and reinforcing the plastic spine ... the stock bolts were just long enough for that. That solved one problem - snapping spine. But the other problem was harder to solve in the field ... the plastic quick release clips that attach to 15 or 16 mm tube. In the end I just attached the steel spine of the bags to the steel rack with hose clamps (Aus) / jubilee clips (GB) ... not sure what they call them in the states.

The third problem was the bags are not as durable as motorcycle luggage. They were fine for the first 20,000 km ... then started showing their limitations. By 30,000 km they were letting in a lot of water and had holes in them. They were tearing where the bolts holding the fabric to the spine penetrated the fabric. Too mush stress for too long.

For shorter trips of up to 3 months, I think its very feasible to use them - with a couple of mods. For longer trips, there are too many things you will eventually need to fix and might as well start somewhere else in the beginning.
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