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Old 12-07-2009, 12:01 PM   #61
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It's truly a a shame that expatriation has to be considered to enjoy our later (or current) years. Not too long ago, we could do all of these things in our own country and not have to worry about not making it. We grew up on the cheap with 10 kids and we never lacked for anything (not that we ever knew). Central and South America may be suitable for some but not all. Too much to see and do in the US but everything has to cost so darn much. .02.

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Old 12-07-2009, 12:13 PM   #62
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Too much to see and do in the US but everything has to cost so darn much.
if one sits down & starts seeing where the money is going...
i'm betting that the majority of it is rent/mortgage. boondocking eliminates that expense.
everything else is relatively cheap in this country. sure, you can't go out to eat every night when you're on a tight budget, but so what?
even if you eat out, mickey D's has $1 cheeseburgers -- that's pretty cheap!
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Old 12-07-2009, 12:31 PM   #63
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It's truly a a shame that expatriation has to be considered to enjoy our later (or current) years. Not too long ago, we could do all of these things in our own country and not have to worry about not making it. We grew up on the cheap with 10 kids and we never lacked for anything (not that we ever knew). Central and South America may be suitable for some but not all. Too much to see and do in the US but everything has to cost so darn much. .02.

l'm a Brit ex-Pat who's been over here for 3+yrs due to my 'mericun wife not being able to stand the Brit weather anymore, & missing her folks.
From a European view, you guys are living cheap over here, you have the weather, the travel, the National Park System, etc;
OK, so South Merica is an option, but could you stand their culture for living a few $$$$;s cheaper every week?
Would you like to go to Europe & pay $6 a gallon for gas?($7+ in England)
$3 for a coffee with no re-fills! & exhorbitiant real estate prices?

You guys have got it pretty sweet over here, but l would encourage anyone with time on their hands to go & see the wonderful culture of Europe & see how much you'd need salary-wise to actually live there.

Just as a footnote; you can buy a nice 3bed house with a yard in Las Vegas right now for $150k, you can do a weekly shop for two people for less than $100 a week.(for this you need to know how to cook & not visit the local fatburger outlet twice a day!) & local taxes are prolly $3k a year, with utilities being around $200 a month, but there's 14% unemployment here at the moment, so that's not gonna work for most folks!
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Old 12-07-2009, 12:38 PM   #64
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This is a good one for cabins, lookout towers, interesting places to stay.
http://www.recreation.gov/welcome.do?topTabIndex=Home

BLM site will give camping info for whatever state you're looking for. They have pay sites a well as a map of BLM lands where you can do dispersed camping, at least for AZ.
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en.html

The forest service in most locations will list some places that have dispersed camping. For example here is one for the Coconino Forest near Flagstaff, AZ.
http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/coconino/rec..._camping.shtml
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:04 PM   #65
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l'm a Brit ex-Pat who's been over here for 3+yrs due to my 'mericun wife not being able to stand the Brit weather anymore, & missing her folks.
From a European view, you guys are living cheap over here, you have the weather, the travel, the National Park System, etc;
Wasn't really complaining, just comparing how things were growing up. I love 'merica and all she has to offer. I guess I just long for "the good old days". I know, sounds corny. I appreciate your perpective view. Thanks. WFC

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Old 12-07-2009, 04:22 PM   #66
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Might be a bit younger then most of you guys (mid-20s), got laid off a while back and can't seem to find a "real job" again. Lost both my fiance, and job in the same week and have to get out of apartment jan 1. The plan is to rent a room for cheap, and take whatever 2-bit job I can make a buck at (coffeeshop/retail/anything) for 6months-year or so till I've got a small sum, and heading out west to find some public land to camp out on. Move when I feel like moving, and not worrying about anything but running out of beenie weenie. How much cash do I need to ride around for a few months+ and live out of a tent? and how much cheaper would it be to do this in mexico? (yo no hablo spanish)
Here's a couple of things to consider about Mexico. First, Gasoline costs about what it costs here. Pemex adjusts the price monthly to whatever the world/USA/market price is. So no real savings there.

I don't really know about camping, but you can find very cheap hotels/hostels/inns.

Food is a lot cheaper, especially street food. I personally avoid mayonnaise from street vendors as it spoils very fast, and is the ideal medium for bacteria. Your mileage will vary.

Drinks/bars/entertainment is a LOT cheaper. In fact, you can often hang out in the plazas and be entertained for free.

I'd definitely try to learn some Spanish. I'm pretty fluent, but wasn't always so. I have a small electronic translator, the Franklin BES 1850, which is fantastic. Don't buy a book; it takes forever to find the word you want. My BES-1850 was my best friend in Mexico for many years, to the point that my Mexican friends began to tease me about it. You can also buy cartridges for Italian/English, or French/English. I bought the Italian one, but it's not nearly as good as the Spanish.

In the bigger cities, there is demand for English tutors. I wouldn't try to get a job in a school, as they typically pay a pittance. But you might be able to find some private students. Craiglist now has sites for the larger cities in Mexico, though they do seem to be heavily used by expats. Still, for free it's worth a try.

Good luck!

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Old 12-07-2009, 11:19 PM   #67
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Just as a footnote; you can buy a nice 3bed house with a yard in Las Vegas right now for $150k, you can do a weekly shop for two people for less than $100 a week.(for this you need to know how to cook & not visit the local fatburger outlet twice a day!) & local taxes are prolly $3k a year, with utilities being around $200 a month, but there's 14% unemployment here at the moment, so that's not gonna work for most folks!
You down here in Lost Wages too?

Love the riding weather and being able to go out at 3am to get a steak & eggs for $4. but the job market does suck right now. but I am fixing that for me.

Would you like to meet up for a beer/coffee sometime?
I am down in the SW near Durango & Blue diamond
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Old 12-08-2009, 10:46 AM   #68
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How about Lebanon...
http://www.alloexpat.com/lebanon_expat_forum/

Or, am I stupid?

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Old 12-08-2009, 11:03 AM   #69
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So where do you put your money when you become an expatriate? Keep in USA? You'd really have to look into the security and tax ramifications.
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So where do you put your money when you become an expatriate? Keep in USA? You'd really have to look into the security and tax ramifications.
If the cash is already in a US bank then leave it there. If you are earning enough money in a foreign country like Mexico then you can open an account there. I have friends that do this. One of them uses a Cayman Island account via Mexico...
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So where do you put your money when you become an expatriate? Keep in USA? You'd really have to look into the security and tax ramifications.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:36 PM   #72
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So where do you put your money when you become an expatriate? Keep in USA? You'd really have to look into the security and tax ramifications.

You put it in Etrade, buy a sat phone, and a little laptop, and study stock charts and do a little trading until about 10:30 am
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Part of the benefit of leaving the US would be to save on taxes. Reduce your taxes by 10-25% equals a a lot of money over time.

Name a place that has low taxes, cost of living, and sunny, warm undeveloped beaches. Panama? Costa Rica?

http://www.internationalliving.com/

If you just want to "drop out" for a few months or years squatting on public lands would be the way to go imho.
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But what about insurance?

OH! This thread is graced by the presence of Stonewall. Thanks for all you do with the White Mountain Research Ride. It was a blast and hope to do it again some time.

Stonewall, you already living the dream of on the move and free?

I'm really glad I started this thread. It may be a pipe dream, but it's helping me deal with my inevitable lay off in June (unless Arnold turns things around before then).

Wait, what if I find another job just like the one I have right away?

Oh the turmoil.

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