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Old 03-10-2010, 12:18 PM   #76
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Any updates?

Hello- I'm interested in any updates / ride impressions moving from the 650R to the Husky. I am thinking about pulling the trigger on an 08 TE510 and have a buyer for my 650R.

I am looking for the one-bike-does-it-all to ride trails with my 10 yr old son. But also ride (single track-to-fire roads) with buddies and do an annual week long touring trip with mixed pavement/off-road. A tall order for one bike..........and the 650R did it well except for the tight stuff ( and kicking the bike everytime my son needs help).

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Old 03-10-2010, 02:39 PM   #77
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Hello- I'm interested in any updates / ride impressions moving from the 650R to the Husky. I am thinking about pulling the trigger on an 08 TE510 and have a buyer for my 650R.

I am looking for the one-bike-does-it-all to ride trails with my 10 yr old son. But also ride (single track-to-fire roads) with buddies and do an annual week long touring trip with mixed pavement/off-road. A tall order for one bike..........and the 650R did it well except for the tight stuff ( and kicking the bike everytime my son needs help).

Thanks
Given your requirements, personally I don't think the 510 would be a good bike. It really is an enduro machine with lights etc. I think, given your requirements, a TE610 or the new 630 would better suit you (it also has the magic button).

Just my $0.02 and thus worth...exactly that.
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:22 AM   #78
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OK so I still have not been able to do any true off-road riding to give the bike a proper test, but I have decided that the Husky dB killer is way too restrictive, so I took advantage of the FMF sales deal and ordered an FMF Q4 exhaust.

I have a cheap Scosche dB meter so I decided to do some unscientific sound testing following the USFS standard ( open area, 20" from exhaust tip at a 45 degree angle) and the various configurations of the Arrow and the FMF exhaust.

Here are the pseudo scientific results It's hard to get a steady 6500 RPM since the bike gets in the power-band and takes off):

OEM Arrow uncorked


1- Idle 98dB
2- 6500 rpm 110dB
3- Peak 130dB


OEM Arrow w/ dB Killer






1- Idle 86dB
2- 6500 rpm 96dB
3- Peak 103dB


OEM Arrow w/ OEM spark arrestor




1- Idle 93dB
2- 6500 rpm 103dB
3- Peak 110dB


OEM FMF Q4 uncorked



1- Idle 95dB
2- 6500 rpm 104dB
3- Peak 113dB


OEM FMF Q4 w/ OEM spark arrestor



1- Idle 92dB
2- 6500 rpm 102dB
3- Peak 110dB

The bottom line is that the Husky is just a loud bike. It also make a significant amount of intake noise.

According to my highly calibrated butt dyno the open Arrow felt the fastest on the top, but was a bit less torque on the bottom, the Husky dB killer was nice and relatively quiet, but significantly choked up the bike and the FMF Q4 w/ spark arrestor was the best compromise of sound muffling and performance. It also felt like it added a bit of torque to the bottom end, while loosing a bit of top end.

I'll add pictures and some video clips when I get a chance.
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:53 AM   #79
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Here are the numbers side-by-side:



Note: even though the Arrow and the FMF have similar numbers w/ the spark arrestor in I personally think the FMF does not sound as loud since the tone of the muffler is a bit lower. The Arrow still has a bit of raspy, tinniness to it that makes it seem more offensive to the hear. I understand this is purely subjective though.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:46 AM   #80
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Question for you.

How did you determine the rpm for testing (6500 RPM)?

I'm wondering if the arrow exhaust for the 2008 bikes is different (noise output) than the 2009-10 bikes? I do know that they did change the exhaust system in 2009 and got away from the power up kit arrow exhaust. Maybe an alternative would be to intall a 2008 power up kit arrow exhaust on the new 2009-10 bikes to afford a noise reduction.
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Old 03-15-2010, 12:02 PM   #81
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My TE has a digital tachometer built into the speedo.

6500 rpm was hard to hold because of the power band.

I should have gone w/ 5500, it would have been easier to get a consistent rpm/reading.
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:56 PM   #82
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My TE has a digital tachometer built into the speedo.

6500 rpm was hard to hold because of the power band.

I should have gone w/ 5500, it would have been easier to get a consistent rpm/reading.
The reason I asked about the rpm is because through all the details I've read about the SAE noise test indicate a 3400 RPM for that engine displacement.

check out this link and the KTM 530 rpm test requirement on page 4:

http://parks.state.co.us/SiteCollect...Supplement.pdf


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Old 03-15-2010, 05:58 PM   #83
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Fast you are right. I have since done a bit more reading.

That's why I'm saying pseudo scientific test: I do not know how accurate the Scosche digital sound meter is or how accurately I followed the sound testing instructions.

I did 20 inches from the muffler tip a 45 degree angle at 1/2 max RPM.
The 510 does at leat 11K rpm, so I should have been at 5kish for sound testing. The actual calculation for testing rpm is something like x/stroke.

A few things I know were off:

1- I think the test needs to be done in a completely open area (I was by the garage, but facing away)
2- The test should be done on a soft surface like dirt or grass (I was on concrete)
3- My car was prked next to the bike.
4- Most bikes in the 450cc range 525/530cc range get tested between 3500 and 4500 RPM

The important thing is relative change between the exhausts.

Note: The FMFs and most other exhaust manufacturer are known to be optimistic w/ their exhaust ratings.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:06 PM   #84
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I do plan on re-testing the mounted FMF at lower rpms.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:42 PM   #85
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Hello- I'm interested in any updates / ride impressions moving from the 650R to the Husky. I am thinking about pulling the trigger on an 08 TE510 and have a buyer for my 650R.

I am looking for the one-bike-does-it-all to ride trails with my 10 yr old son. But also ride (single track-to-fire roads) with buddies and do an annual week long touring trip with mixed pavement/off-road. A tall order for one bike..........and the 650R did it well except for the tight stuff ( and kicking the bike everytime my son needs help).

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I owned a 650r and went to an 07 510, for the same reasons you are considering it.

The 510 sounds like it would be a pretty good "do it all" bike in your situation. If you did more street miles and very little tight trails, I'd say no way, keep the 650r (or go with a 610/630).

The 510 will not have that "no way I can break this thing" anvil type quality of the 650r. You will do more tinkering & maintenance.

If you go with the 510, plan on changing the counter shaft sprocket to suit your ride for the week/day. The bike has very narrow gear spacing. This is great for off road riding, you will always have a correct gear (or two).

I geared mine way up for a Baja trip, worked great. I will gear it down for local trails. Also you will need to budget an aftermarket seat and getting the suspension set up for you.

It is a bit vibey when riding on the street, but so is the 650r. Get vibranators to help with the bars.

http://www.vibranator.com/

I was able to get the hang of starting the 650r & I would buy one again, but...it was a handful in the tight stuff, just way too much bike for my lame skills.

The 510 is a pretty damn good "do it all" bike, even if it is on the "race bike with lights" side of the equation. If I did only single tract, I probably go with an even smaller bike (450/310?).

My 07 510 (carbed) is very easy to work on, so maintenance is a pleasure, not a chore. There are some tricks/quirks, like any bike.

An intangible: Most Husky owners are pretty cool (myself excluded..:) and CafeHusky.com is a great source for info/help.

Someone else mentioned the 610/630. Problem with these stellar bikes is that they weigh as much as a 650r. It would be a top choice for an "only one bike" bike, if you don't have a street bike.

Would I make the change again? Yes Do I miss my 650r? Sometimes, but never, ever in the tight stuff...
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:28 PM   #86
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Scott & Mercury264- Thanks for the great info and input!

Yellow Pig- Sorry for the unintentional hijack. I have read many of your posts regarding the 650r in the past....so was interested to read your impressions of the TE510. I just picked-up the 08 TE510......so will be following this thread with interest. Snow is still melting off in our area so local riding is a ways off.

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Old 03-16-2010, 07:49 AM   #87
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Thanks for the compliments!

Once the darn snow clears here in Colorado and I finally get to do some real dirt I'll post a real write-up/comparo between the BRP and the Husky.

Till then I have to content myself w/ tinkering.

This weather is killing my wallet.

I'm headed to Moab in the end of April, that should provide for some proper proving grounds!
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:44 AM   #88
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Someone on TT finally found the correct testing RPM:

The SAE J1287 testing RPM it is: RPM = 250,000 / stroke (mm).
This is your standard- 45' angle 20" test in a clear area outside.

08-09Husqvarna TE250/310 55mm 4545
08/09 Husqvarna TE450 60.7 4118
08/09 Husqvarna TE510 67.8 3687
08/09 Husqvarna TE610 76.4 3272

Needless to say I was almost double the RPM range. I think that goes to show that even when within the minimum standard 96dB rating the bikes are loud. I don't know of anyone that rides at 3600RPM. So anything not meeting the minimum standard is ridiculously loud.
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Old 03-18-2010, 09:57 AM   #89
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So I just got done re-testing the Husky at the proper rpm (3650). I only tested the FMF Q4 with spark arrestor inserted and adjusted the other numbers mathematically using the difference I measured between dB at 6500 and dB at 3650 (6dB).

Not the most scientific way , but it gets me in the ball park and I did not feel like dismounting and remounting a bunch of exhausts.

Here are the results:

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