This picture got me thinking, Front wheel drive Hack - Page 2

Ricardo Kuhn · 12-11-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HogWild

Ricardo, here's another rear engine sidecar for you, 2WD Mitsubishi:

http://www.seehey-dakar.de

Wow, what a lawnmower...

How does it Jump, well how it land is what I like to know.

R_W · 12-11-2009, 12:32 PM

You could not pay me enough to be a sidecar monkey...

All wheel drive makes complete sense to me on ANY vehicle. It is just how to do it reliably and without a huge weight penalty.

Ricardo Kuhn · 12-11-2009, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R_W

You could not pay me enough to be a sidecar monkey...

Well I used to do this when i was young and strong and i will love to be a Monke, Specially with somebody as skillful as Scott, but sadly I'm to wasted after years of doing really stupid stuff, in short motorcycles are pretty much the safes thing I have ever done..

Quote:

All wheel drive makes complete sense to me on ANY vehicle. It is just how to do it reliably and without a huge weight penalty.

Yeah even on the track.

Can you imagine a three wheel drive Subaru WRX engine mounted property on a sidecar, Oh man I get scare just thinking about it.

HPJeep · 12-13-2009, 07:07 AM

Nice M38!

Richard-NL · 12-30-2009, 04:05 AM

Confusing isn't it?

Richard-NL

Ricardo Kuhn · 12-30-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard-NL

Confusing isn't it?

Richard-NL

That is just Silly

The steering most be very heavy and the "Self-centering" effect of the fork rake for sure get all mess up, I don't know is just a very clumsy way to do it, with all this sliding half shafts and other shit the drag most take a big percentage of the engine power .

If you need front wheel drive must be a better way to do it and I'm pretty sure if somebody know how is you mister Richard.

DirtyDR · 12-31-2009, 05:57 AM

Try these:
http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf...4011MIKAZP.htm

http://christini.com/

twintwin · 12-31-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDR

Try these:
http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf...4011MIKAZP.htm

Actually this 2WD system was developped by Ohlins for quite some time now.
In the link below the 2WD complete story.
http://www.ohlins.com/Checkpoint-Ohl...omplete-Story/

HogWild · 12-31-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by twintwin

Actually this 2WD system was developped by Ohlins for quite some time now.

Unfortunately it's not possible to purchase this system. I tried to get one to experiment with.

Ricardo Kuhn · 12-31-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild

Unfortunately it's not possible to purchase this system. I tried to get one to experiment with.

Scott did you ever talk to Doug at Ohlins...??

I know this was more of a Euro release, but he has nexus all over the company.

I be your monster will love a little extra driven wheel.

HogWild · 12-31-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricardo Kuhn

Scott did you ever talk to Doug at Ohlins...??

I emailed them, and got this response:

"Hello Scott. Thank you for your email. In 2006, Öhlins Sweden developed a 2WD system for motorcycles as an O.E.M. order for Yamaha France & Yamaha Australia. A small production run was done to satisfy this order. There was never an aftermarket “kit” developed, sorry. Thank you, Jerry"

I'm not sure if the Öhlins system would be a good thing or not for my setup. 1WD has worked far better than I would have expected, especially when I got a big tire on the rear. The only place I might want 2WD is in super soft sand dune mountains. Even there I'm not sure if it would help. I was considering installing it on the side wheel, then testing it in some monster dunes down in Mexico. But since I can't get the system, I'm looking into building a new rear swingarm, and installing an even wider rear tire, maybe 10 inches wide or so. The problem with 2WD for my sidecar is the weight and complication added to achieve it. I don't want to carry the weight and reliability penalty unless I absolutely have to.

DirtyDR · 01-01-2010, 05:58 AM

You can buy the Christini system but they are expensive and unless you are doing Endurocross I don't really see the need. Then again I own a 2 wheel drive Ural and 2 Rokons.

http://christini.com/purchase-contact.php

claude · 01-01-2010, 02:13 PM

How about a center hub front end with a belt or chain powered half shaft. Sounds pretty straight forward but it would have it's challenges no doubt

Richard-NL · 01-01-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by claude

How about a center hub front end with a belt or chain powered half shaft. Sounds pretty straight forward but it would have it's challenges no doubt

Like a Corda, you mean. That has a belt to the front.

I'm enjoying this thread.

(No pun intended) Keep it coming.....

Word of the day: d i f f e r e n t i a l .

Tomorrow the continuing story of .......

Richard-NL

DirtyDR · 01-02-2010, 07:35 AM

The Christini drive setup is basically an updated Rokon drive without the overide spring and the 2 piece driveshaft. I wonder about their claim of 1/10th horsepower but I have always liked their design.

http://christini.com/awd-technology.php

12-11-2009, 12:32 PM	#17
R_W wannabe Joined: May 2005 Location: Kansas Oddometer: 4,126	You could not pay me enough to be a sidecar monkey... All wheel drive makes complete sense to me on ANY vehicle. It is just how to do it reliably and without a huge weight penalty. __________________ Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme...

12-31-2009, 05:57 AM	#22
DirtyDR Dana Joined: Feb 2003 Location: Edwards,Colorado Oddometer: 1,794	Try these: http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf...4011MIKAZP.htm http://christini.com/ __________________ 06 Ural Patrol 03 R1150 GS Sport/ Friendship II 94 R1100RS 99 Rokon Ranger 71 Rokon RT140 Hack'n the TLH http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=592860 http://dirtydr.smugmug.com/ Proud Member of the Patrol Patrol

01-01-2010, 05:58 AM	#27
DirtyDR Dana Joined: Feb 2003 Location: Edwards,Colorado Oddometer: 1,794	You can buy the Christini system but they are expensive and unless you are doing Endurocross I don't really see the need. Then again I own a 2 wheel drive Ural and 2 Rokons. http://christini.com/purchase-contact.php __________________ 06 Ural Patrol 03 R1150 GS Sport/ Friendship II 94 R1100RS 99 Rokon Ranger 71 Rokon RT140 Hack'n the TLH http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=592860 http://dirtydr.smugmug.com/ Proud Member of the Patrol Patrol

01-01-2010, 02:13 PM	#28
claude Sidecar Jockey Joined: Mar 2002 Location: Middleburg, Pa. (Snyder County) Oddometer: 2,737	How about a center hub front end with a belt or chain powered half shaft. Sounds pretty straight forward but it would have it's challenges no doubt __________________ Claude Founder: Internet Sidecar Owners Klub at SCT http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCT/ President: C Stanley Motorsports Inc. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/...rsandTrailers/ http://freedomsidecars.com/

01-02-2010, 07:35 AM	#30
DirtyDR Dana Joined: Feb 2003 Location: Edwards,Colorado Oddometer: 1,794	The Christini drive setup is basically an updated Rokon drive without the overide spring and the 2 piece driveshaft. I wonder about their claim of 1/10th horsepower but I have always liked their design. http://christini.com/awd-technology.php __________________ 06 Ural Patrol 03 R1150 GS Sport/ Friendship II 94 R1100RS 99 Rokon Ranger 71 Rokon RT140 Hack'n the TLH http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=592860 http://dirtydr.smugmug.com/ Proud Member of the Patrol Patrol

12-13-2009, 07:07 AM	#19
HPJeep Owner of a pig iron bike Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX aka Capitol of the World Oddometer: 142	Nice M38!

12-30-2009, 04:05 AM	#20
Richard-NL Sidecar Fan Joined: Aug 2008 Location: The Netherlands Oddometer: 1,000	Confusing isn't it? Richard-NL

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