Can you make a "Leaner" hack into a "Rigid" - Page 3

leaner leopold · 12-29-2009, 01:56 PM

yes they are! Richard
only Roland his was a real leaner! Eugen has been testing it (schurfing...

)
but with his handicap Roland wasn't able to hold the bike, he made an electrical-hydro system, but he didn't thought about the weight of the bike wenn its leaning to the left......afterwards he changed everything, even made an complete new combination from his leaner. see picture orange hack above!
he got the best price for complete sidecarbuilding at the EGT in 2007!
the Flexit is build on an other hack, nice!

Willi-Jens · 01-04-2010, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard-NL

These were leaners, before they became “rigid”:

Richard-NL

Richard,

my take on the question was that the design should be basically usable for both. If one is willing to do basically a rebuild e.g. like the above Flexit with a totally new sidecar frame and is still happy to live with some drawbacks of the design (e.g. in case of the converted Flexit this would be high centre of gravity with still low ground clearance) it is possible.
Steve mentioned also the issue with the steering, which need to be different for a rigid outfit, which I believe has been the reason for Roland to change the front end on his Fazer when he (or rather his family decided ;-) ) that it should be a rigid outfit and not a leaner.

Wouldn't you agree?

Regards

Jens

Wouldn't you agree as well that a leaner doesn't help you understanding to ride a rigid outfit, which I assume behind the question of converting a leaner into a rigid outfit?

leaner leopold · 01-04-2010, 01:52 PM

I have some parts lying here for to try to make my leaner rigid,
wenn I have time for it I will try to rigid it without many changes.
hope this month.....

Willi-Jens · 01-04-2010, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leaner leopold

I have some parts lying here for to try to make my leaner rigid,
wenn I have time for it I will try to rigid it without many changes.
hope this month.....

Shouldn't you first try to get a real leaner like this

with real lean angle,
instead of this

??
;-) ;-)
Sorry for the cheap shot, couldn't resist. ;-) You really should change the exhaust to get some lean angle. Otherwhise you might end up in a situation where you get in real trouble.

If you are able to read German (like Leopold) you might want to read about someones experience with a mixed outfit (leaner/rigid):
http://www.suedschwede.de/Subscreens...chor-R11-32486
He had as it appears from the description quite a nasty experience with the light sidecar and the insufficient suspension when riding as a rigid outfit, which could have ended differently.
He also admits that the manufacturer might reject any knowledge of the existence of that outfit.....

AceRph · 01-04-2010, 11:21 PM

Crumby Translated page.

Slightly easier to read.

More of the same.

Sidecarjohn · 01-05-2010, 04:42 AM

Leaner or rigid ? That's the real question, not a merger of both. As this forum shows there is a whole world of issues related to putting a sidecar alongside a motorcycle, or even if you create a "lookalike" such as a Corda, or Zeus.

Ultimately, maybe after a number of years methinks, an individual finds a reasonable solution. It may not be someone else's choice, but that's what makes sidecarring so interesting. I only have one friend, who runs a leaner, a Flexit that has apparently performed admirably for many years alongside a Pan European (ST1100). The rarity aspect might indicate something, I don't know, but this example is a positive one.

Personally, rigid outfits are potentially more versatile, and relatively simpler to create and operate, compared with a leaner. So, make a decision based upon needs and intended use. One, or the other I suggest.

Richard-NL · 01-05-2010, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willi-Jens

Richard, [ ...] Wouldn't you agree?

I had to read back in order to understand what you meant. I don't think we disagreed. Did we? I wasn't even thinking about your post.

I just showed some pics

Richard-NL

Willi-Jens · 01-06-2010, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard-NL

I had to read back in order to understand what you meant. I don't think we disagreed. Did we? I wasn't even thinking about your post.

I just showed some pics

Richard-NL

Nice from you to agree

With your experience in the field I wouldn't have expected you to be of different opinion.
And yes, you appear to have really a vast amount of photos available. ;-) ;-)

Regards

Jens

Willi-Jens · 01-07-2010, 09:53 PM

Sorry Richard,

you even said it much earlier then me:

Quote:

Don’t try to mix a leaner with a rigid sidecar. Lock it only for parking.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403756
answer/# 13

01-04-2010, 11:21 PM	#35
AceRph Stossel for POTUS Joined: Jan 2003 Location: Where the stupidest people on earth run things Oddometer: 23,762	Crumby Translated page. Slightly easier to read. More of the same. __________________ Equal to all of you of roads and good luck! - krokodil al-kashi “We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, fear of getting down-sized or fired because of the plunging economy, fear of getting evicted for bad debts or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer.” —”Extreme Behavior in Aspen,” February 3, 2003 AceRph screwed with this post 01-04-2010 at 11:45 PM Reason: Added "crumby".

01-05-2010, 04:42 AM	#36
Sidecarjohn Studly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Yorkshire, England Oddometer: 584	Choices ? Leaner or rigid ? That's the real question, not a merger of both. As this forum shows there is a whole world of issues related to putting a sidecar alongside a motorcycle, or even if you create a "lookalike" such as a Corda, or Zeus. Ultimately, maybe after a number of years methinks, an individual finds a reasonable solution. It may not be someone else's choice, but that's what makes sidecarring so interesting. I only have one friend, who runs a leaner, a Flexit that has apparently performed admirably for many years alongside a Pan European (ST1100). The rarity aspect might indicate something, I don't know, but this example is a positive one. Personally, rigid outfits are potentially more versatile, and relatively simpler to create and operate, compared with a leaner. So, make a decision based upon needs and intended use. One, or the other I suggest.

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12-29-2009, 01:56 PM	#31
leaner leopold Adventurer Joined: Dec 2009 Location: Peer, Belgium Oddometer: 41	yes they are! Richard only Roland his was a real leaner! Eugen has been testing it (schurfing... ) but with his handicap Roland wasn't able to hold the bike, he made an electrical-hydro system, but he didn't thought about the weight of the bike wenn its leaning to the left......afterwards he changed everything, even made an complete new combination from his leaner. see picture orange hack above! he got the best price for complete sidecarbuilding at the EGT in 2007! the Flexit is build on an other hack, nice!

01-04-2010, 01:52 PM	#33
leaner leopold Adventurer Joined: Dec 2009 Location: Peer, Belgium Oddometer: 41	I have some parts lying here for to try to make my leaner rigid, wenn I have time for it I will try to rigid it without many changes. hope this month.....