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Old 11-28-2014, 08:14 PM   #1
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WR250R to 690 Enduro. A good move?

I've been lusting for a 690 for some time. I have the opportunity to go from my 2011 WR250R to a 2012 KTM Enduro R. As a matter of fact, the WR is going to its new owner tomorrow. The WR has been stone reliable, never had an issue in 6,000 miles. I ride with a lot of KTM's and have a friend with a nice 690 with 4,000 miles on the clock that I'm considering buying. I spent the last hour researching the 2012's and it seems like a lot of owners are constantly screwing with the mapping (among other things) to get them running right. I also own a BMW and Ducati, I have never re-mapped or re-flashed them and they run perfectly always. I know the early 690's were plagued with abrupt throttle off idle and stalling, what about the 2012's? Seems like KTM would have had this sorted out buy then. So the question is, will I be constantly fooling with this bike to get it run right?
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Old 11-28-2014, 09:50 PM   #2
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Good move. The 09-13 models have good fuel injection, IF you leave it stock. Once you change the exhaust, then you'll be in the same boat as everyone else, constantly working on it.

The 2014 model are fantastic.
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Old 11-28-2014, 10:02 PM   #3
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Old 11-29-2014, 10:55 AM   #4
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Good move. The 09-13 models have good fuel injection, IF you leave it stock. Once you change the exhaust, then you'll be in the same boat as everyone else, constantly working on it.

The 2014 model are fantastic.
Good. The key being leaving it stock. I know when you put big bore kits on a WR250R or DRZ400 things get interesting. After paying for the big bore kit, power commander, exhaust and dyno pulls your normally left with a problematic bike that's hard to tune and vibrates at speed. Not to mention reliability issues. Being I coming off a 25hp bike the stock KTM 690 with 60 hp will feel just fine.

So hopefully the 690 in stock form will suit me fine.
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Old 11-29-2014, 10:59 AM   #5
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I had a 2009 with an Akra slipon. Yes I remapped it a number of times and it was fine. I think they get remapped a lot because you can use TuneECU to do it so people tend to tinker. But the newer bikes make a ton of power stock so just ride it!
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Old 11-29-2014, 04:06 PM   #6
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>"WR250R to 690 Enduro. A good move?"

Likely yes.

It's a little heavier, good suspension... and... lots more power.

Problem might be limited range. Fuel tank in the center of the frame,
and not a lot of room to improve on it. Gives 185 (to maybe) 200 miles.

Extra gas tanks for the 690 are expensive... so if you want
more range you will need a Rotopax... or something else like it.
(The mpg of the 690 and WR250 are nearly the same, WR250 you can get bigger tanks.)

Beyond that, there are some issues with the hydraulic clutch o-rings
and some camshaft bearing problems. Disks are light weight, wear out,
maybe a couple other things I can't dredge up right now.

A couple people that were taking them around the world had some
frame cracks, and other issues... bikes were subject to pretty good abuse.

>"... everyone else, constantly working on it..."

Eh?

WR250R is an exceptionally low-maint bike... no matter what
exhaust or tuner you put on it. I think a lot of people mess with
the tuner a bit until they figure out the best settings...
then they leave it alone.

27 to 28 hp out of the WR250R is all you can really expect.
(Unless you fool around with the engine itself... then there may be issues.)

That's probably 3 to 4 hp above stock. To do that you need to gut the airbox, remove the pollution crap,
add a tuner, exhaust and a header. That's about it... nothing really complex.

I guess if you don't need the extra hp and torque, you can leave it alone.
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Old 11-29-2014, 04:52 PM   #7
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Good move. The 09-13 models have good fuel injection, IF you leave it stock. Once you change the exhaust, then you'll be in the same boat as everyone else, constantly working on it.

The 2014 model are fantastic.
Not in my experience. I have 7 friends withi 690's, only the two with 14's have stock map...or stock can. The 5 with 13's or older put on a new exhaust, load a map, never touch it again.
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Old 11-29-2014, 05:58 PM   #8
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I looked at the bike today and noticed it didn't have rim locks. Did it come from the factory that way?

I kept my WR stock, I'll most likely keep the 690 stock also. I have close neighbors and stock exhaust is normally the quietest.
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Old 11-29-2014, 06:38 PM   #9
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The 690 is an amazing motorcycle. Just be aware that you are losing 20mm of suspension travel, gaining 35 pounds, and going to a considerably narrower gear spread. Oh, and the Grand Coulee Dam alternator, in case you like to operate a toaster oven while you ride. I believe most owners are thrilled enough with the horsepower to overlook those details.
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Old 11-29-2014, 08:39 PM   #10
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Not in my experience. I have 7 friends withi 690's, only the two with 14's have stock map...or stock can. The 5 with 13's or older put on a new exhaust, load a map, never touch it again.
Yep, FMF Q4, Evo1 air box lid, remap to Evo1 map... done. zero issues.

As to the OP. Depends on what you use the WR for and if you want the excessive HP of the 690.

As a dirt bike some think the 690 is a big beast. Some like it that way..
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Old 11-29-2014, 08:57 PM   #11
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I looked at the bike today and noticed it didn't have rim locks. Did it come from the factory that way?

I kept my WR stock, I'll most likely keep the 690 stock also. I have close neighbors and stock exhaust is normally the quietest.
No rim locks on the 690.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:07 PM   #12
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I looked at the bike today and noticed it didn't have rim locks. Did it come from the factory that way?

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I would fit rim locks, i have already bent the stud of the rear rim lock.
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Old 11-30-2014, 08:53 AM   #13
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I've had both bikes and ridden them around Big Bend National Park. I currently have the 690 and many years ago had the 250.

When on the 250 I was wishing I was on my buddy's 450. The vast open desert spaces left the 250 a little shy on power, but it did fine.

Just last week I got back from trailering the 690 to Big Bend and I could not ask for a more suitable bike! The bike did amazing both on-road and off-road. I would not want a bigger dual sport bike for some of the roads we were on.

On the flip side I took the 690 to Red River, NM this summer and the bike was a handful on the steep rocky technical trails up and down the mountain. I was wishing I had my Husaberg TE250 with me in many instances. And yes I know there's a big difference between a 250 2-stroke and 4-stroke, but I would have even preferred the WR250 for some of the very technical riding.

Bottom line is they are two entirely different bikes built for different riding. People generally do not cross-shop the two, and ideally you'd have both. I'd hate the thought of riding the 690 on a tight technical trail, and I'd hate the thought of riding the WR250 on an all-day ride with vast open spaces.

Below is a link I just uploaded with me on the 690 and my girlfriend on her CRF250L near Big Bend. If nothing else it will let you hear the 690 with the Wings exhaust, which is awesome! And as far as problems with reliability and the KTM Akravpovic performance tune - nada!

Let it load in 1080P and watch in full-screen...

http://youtu.be/M-lntm5efrE
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Old 11-30-2014, 08:55 AM   #14
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I looked at the bike today and noticed it didn't have rim locks. Did it come from the factory that way?

I kept my WR stock, I'll most likely keep the 690 stock also. I have close neighbors and stock exhaust is normally the quietest.
I put a FMF Q4 on my 2013 and remapped about 5k miles ago and have had no problems.

I did this because everybody said I should. But I rode the bike a few times before I did it. And IMHO the new pipe offered no noticeable improvement in ride quality or power delivery. But I am extremely insensitive to such things.

It is lighter and cooler. I don't know if the oem pipe would have burned my saddle bags or me.

All in all I am not particularly happy that I put the new pipe on. It seems like an expensive noisy solution to a non-problem.
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Old 11-30-2014, 10:12 AM   #15
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I've had both bikes and ridden them around Big Bend National Park. I currently have the 690 and many years ago had the 250.

When on the 250 I was wishing I was on my buddy's 450. The vast open desert spaces left the 250 a little shy on power, but it did fine.

Just last week I got back from trailering the 690 to Big Bend and I could not ask for a more suitable bike! The bike did amazing both on-road and off-road. I would not want a bigger dual sport bike for some of the roads we were on.

On the flip side I took the 690 to Red River, NM this summer and the bike was a handful on the steep rocky technical trails up and down the mountain. I was wishing I had my Husaberg TE250 with me in many instances. And yes I know there's a big difference between a 250 2-stroke and 4-stroke, but I would have even preferred the WR250 for some of the very technical riding.

Bottom line is they are two entirely different bikes built for different riding. People generally do not cross-shop the two, and ideally you'd have both. I'd hate the thought of riding the 690 on a tight technical trail, and I'd hate the thought of riding the WR250 on an all-day ride with vast open spaces.

Below is a link I just uploaded with me on the 690 and my girlfriend on her CRF250L near Big Bend. If nothing else it will let you hear the 690 with the Wings exhaust, which is awesome! And as far as problems with reliability and the KTM Akravpovic performance tune - nada!

Let it load in 1080P and watch in full-screen...

http://youtu.be/M-lntm5efrE
Nice hearing from guys that have had both bikes. I'm sure there will be times I wish I was still on the WR.
If there was a quite performance exhaust out there I might consider it.
I take my bikes dual sporting in AZ every Christmas vacation and find myself on highways for an hour at times. I'm looking at a small windscreen, something that won't be acceptable to damage when I crash. Also a set of racks for soft bags would be nice.
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