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Old 08-09-2010, 03:19 PM   #166
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That is the debate-isn't it?
Not with me it isn't, I know better now.

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So, which is worse, big hole or big bend? Either way, if I get either, the pipe is being replaced.
Who said anything about a hole?
My Gnarly pipe was wrecked so bad I couldn't use the bike. $90 and I was rolling again.
Replacing a dinged pipe is a waste of money most of the time. But I guess you have money to burn, I don't.

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the rock would have to be quite tall.

The rock I hit was about 6" tall.
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The KTM guard is apparently thicker than past years so we shall see.
Thicker makes it worse.

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So, how many 300's do you know that have blown due to lugging?
None, but that wasn't the point I was making was it?
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Old 08-09-2010, 03:24 PM   #167
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So what is the issue here? You bent a pipe with a pipe guard? And now you hate pipe guards?

OK, we have two different point of views. Welcome to earth and the interweb.

I don't have money to burn, but I am not going to screw around with a hole in a pipe. But I will ring you up if I get one and sell it to you cheap. Then you can screw with it.

I guess the various pipe guard manufacturers and retailers are selling us all snake oil.



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Not with me it isn't, I know better now.


Who said anything about a hole?
My Gnarly pipe was wrecked so bad I couldn't use the bike. $90 and I was rolling again.
Replacing a dinged pipe is a waste of money most of the time. But I guess you have money to burn, I don't.


The rock I hit was about 6" tall.
Thicker makes it worse.

None, but that wasn't the point I was making was it?
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Old 08-09-2010, 03:57 PM   #168
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So what is the issue here? You bent a pipe with a pipe guard? And now you hate pipe guards?
Hate?
I just don't recommend them, based on personal experience.
Unlike you.

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OK, we have two different point of views. Welcome to earth and the interweb.
Ok, Mr. KTM Killer.

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I don't have money to burn, but I am not going to screw around with a hole in a pipe.
Again with the hole?
Good pipes are made to bend.



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I guess the various pipe guard manufacturers and retailers are selling us all snake oil.
You will reach any wild conclusion you want, I am simply pointing out the fallacy of your "learned" position.

Carry on, by all means.
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Old 08-09-2010, 04:01 PM   #169
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Feh.

I could do that.
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Old 08-09-2010, 04:49 PM   #170
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Where can I get my pipe custom tuned like that?
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:10 PM   #171
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Where can I get my pipe custom tuned like that?
I'd have to show you...




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Old 08-09-2010, 07:42 PM   #172
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I'd have to show you...

How much does it cost, and how much of a performance gain can I expect?...


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Old 08-09-2010, 11:39 PM   #173
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So let's just recap. So, how many pipes have you injured with a pipe guard? 1? 5? 10?

I really am curious since all of your data comes from personal experience-as does mine...but somehow my conclusion is flawed while yours is not?

Show me how that works.

I think this is more than just about a pipe guard Ray.


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Hate?
I just don't recommend them, based on personal experience.
Unlike you.

Ok, Mr. KTM Killer.

Again with the hole?
Good pipes are made to bend.



http://www.piperepair.com/gallery.htm

You will reach any wild conclusion you want, I am simply pointing out the fallacy of your "learned" position.

Carry on, by all means.
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Old 08-10-2010, 02:17 AM   #174
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So let's just recap. So, how many pipes have you injured with a pipe guard? 1? 5? 10?

I really am curious since all of your data comes from personal experience-as does mine...but somehow my conclusion is flawed while yours is not?

Show me how that works.

I think this is more than just about a pipe guard Ray.
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Old 08-10-2010, 03:20 AM   #175
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Any of you guys here ridden the 300s on the highway, say 20/30 miles. I keep hearing they are really good on the roads between lanes because the power means you can just bop along at 50 mph ish with out stressing them out, so making them a viable option for trail riding over good distances. But also then on the flip side using them in the single track woods stuff that I guess they excel at
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:19 AM   #176
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Any of you guys here ridden the 300s on the highway, say 20/30 miles. I keep hearing they are really good on the roads between lanes because the power means you can just bop along at 50 mph ish with out stressing them out, so making them a viable option for trail riding over good distances. But also then on the flip side using them in the single track woods stuff that I guess they excel at
I do it all the time. Who says the 2 stroke dual sport is dead.
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:12 AM   #177
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Well, I am off to Taylor for some pipe bashing I am sure. My flatland guard is happy and secure.


Ray, I gave you the courtesy of answering your question. Never again. Enjoy your viewpoint as I am sure you will attempt to bully others into it like so many other points you have.


And, as all bullies deserve, off the ignore list. Enjoy!

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Old 08-10-2010, 11:13 AM   #178
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I'll alert the media.
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Old 08-10-2010, 01:52 PM   #179
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Any of you guys here ridden the 300s on the highway, say 20/30 miles. I keep hearing they are really good on the roads between lanes because the power means you can just bop along at 50 mph ish with out stressing them out, so making them a viable option for trail riding over good distances. But also then on the flip side using them in the single track woods stuff that I guess they excel at
Depends on gearing. Geared up a hair it was fine. With low woods gearing 50mph had no load on the engine at all and a little buzzy. 5 speed compromise like normal.
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:08 PM   #180
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Depends on gearing. Geared up a hair it was fine. With low woods gearing 50mph had no load on the engine at all and a little buzzy. 5 speed compromise like normal.
My 250 EXC was geared for fun....and good for about 50mph on the road.



MeterPig, any time you get challenged by someone who actually rides and rides a lot, and knows WTF they're talking about - you think you're being bullied. You just bought a new KTM and now you're an expert - that's my entire concept of you. You probably have 20 hours on it, huh?

What he said was ACTUALLY lugging a motor (you have no concept of the context he was trying to get across) is more harmful to the bottom end.
He never said it's not a grunty motor that pulls good from the bottom, just that riding it down too low in the r's will be bad for it.

Pipe dents are easy and cheap to repair. My 250 EXC came to me with a thick CF shield, and it was cracked at the clamp pass-thru's and munched badly beneath the shield.
I put a new Gnarly on with no shield, the original pipe was smacked hard enough near the exhaust port to be cracked and a little spoogey.
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