The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

[silverspurs]

Originally Posted by pluric

I just wish I'd noticed it after the holidays. It's put such a damper on everything.

Does YES cover emotional distress? I really shouldn't speak about until I've
had time to calm down and really look at the situation.

I should really have this guy come "Look at it"

Won't cover emotional distress... but it will cover towing and lodging when your stranded oot!!.. need a vacation?

[Old Git Ray]

The new 1200 GS from Beemer.

From their web site:

ABS response and the integral brake distribution are adjusted to the conditions depending on the mode selected. Enduro Pro mode deactivates ABS on the rear wheel during more advanced off-road rides.

Looks like they have finally fixed those crap brakes and have gone one step on from the Yamaha ones.

For the first time, BMW Motorrad will be fitting a compact wet clutch that has been optimised specifically for the powerful torque delivery of the opposed twin engine. The rider benefits from the antihopping function, especially when shifting down hard with engaged foot brake. This minimises the typical deflection of the clutch lever, and at the same time optimising controllability and handling.

And finally, they have woken up and put in a sensible clutch. As for the "antihopping" and the "deflection of the clutch lever", I have no idea how they sort that unless they have fitted a KTM style racing clutch.

EDIT: This "antihopping function" thing, on thinking about it, It's probably just the fact that it is a wet clutch made out to look like a new feature- Doh!


125 HP IN ONE HAND. The two throttle valves on the new R 1200 GS are actuated via servomotors, allowing fast adjustments to the engine and performance characteristics. Thanks to the electronic control of intake air quantity, both cruise control and the additional riding modes (both optional extras) can be integrated without much additional effort.


Electronic throttles and mode settings. Another copy from Yamaha possibly.

If it is reliable, it should be a great bike but I will never buy another one. We wait and I suppose.

(Oh and with 125hp, Pluric is really going to struggle )

[pluric]

Originally Posted by Old Git Ray

(Oh and with 125hp, Pluric is really going to struggle )

Not as much as trying to read red font.

[cug]

Originally Posted by pluric

Not as much as trying to read red font.

I've switched to the "Fresh" forum theme a long time ago - dark background with fonts in varying colors are plain bad for my eyes.

Now, only the posts with font set to white or light grey will be ignored (mostly).

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by Old Git Ray

EDIT: This "antihopping function" thing, on thinking about it, It's probably just the fact that it is a wet clutch made out to look like a new feature- Doh!

Sounds like a slipper clutch to me - a clutch that allows a certain amount of slipping when downshifting to keep the rear from skidding if you don't match revs. Common on sportbikes and gradually becoming more common on other new designs.

- Mark

[pluric]

I fought the weather and the weather won. Bike is sitting in the garage loaded
and ready. Woke up to snow again today. Now they say the storm was
"Slower moving" than originally thought. As much as I hate to I would have
trailered to the Southern border. Weather in Death Valley is in the low 30s
at night. We were planning on camping. Didn't sound that inviting to spoon with
myself trying to stay warm all night. So I just spoke with the Strom guy and it's
off.

[twinrider]

Originally Posted by markjenn

and gradually becoming more common on other new designs.

- Mark

Such as?

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by twinrider

Such as?

Ducs, Triumphs, KTMs, Honda, you name it.

- Mark

[twinrider]

Originally Posted by markjenn

Ducs, Triumphs, KTMs, Honda, you name it.

- Mark

Those are brands, not "new designs." Can you be more specific?

[Dallara]

Originally Posted by markjenn

Ducs, Triumphs, KTMs, Honda, you name it.

- Mark

Originally Posted by twinrider

Those are brands, not "new designs." Can you be more specific?

Yeah, Mark...

I'd kind'a like to know all those "adventure" touring bikes with slipper clutches, too?

True "slipper" clutches have some use on a race track, and perhaps even for track-day use... And "automatic" slipper clutches, like the Rekluse, certainly have some advantages in a pure off-road environment... But please tell me the true advantage either has on a large-displacement "adventure" style motorcycle that spends most of its time on the the streets and roadways of the world?

Dallara



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[pluric]

Originally Posted by twinrider

Such as?

Originally Posted by twinrider

Those are brands, not "new designs." Can you be more specific?

Originally Posted by Dallara

Yeah, Mark...

I'd kind'a like to know all those "adventure" touring bikes with slipper clutches, too?

True "slipper" clutches have some use on a race track, and perhaps even for track-day use... And "automatic" slipper clutches, like the Rekluse, certainly have some advantages in a pure off-road environment... But please tell me the true advantage either has on a large-displacement "adventure" style motorcycle that spends most of its time on the the streets and roadways of the world?

Dallara



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Mark, just say "Like on the new BMW" and maybe they will go away.

[Dallara]

Originally Posted by pluric

Mark, just say "Like on the new BMW" and maybe they will go away.

"Like on the BMW" hardly constitutes a class as large as "Ducs, Triumphs, KTMs, Honda, you name it."...

Dallara



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[GrahamD]

Originally Posted by pluric

Mark, just say "Like on the new BMW" and maybe they will go away.

Maybe YAMAHA will just do a SUZUKI and just keep the S10 going for 10 years as is. Then put some new improved plastics on it. They are not allowed to charge what the Europeans charge so why bother chasing them.

Where I live the same happens in the 4WD market. In the city it's all European wiz bang BS. In the country it's all basic tough and reliable. It's in the bush where REAL 4WD's dominate. About the only modern thing the "bushies" have taken to is Aircon, GPS/Epirbs and Sat Phones.

They still think carpet sucks and bikes without racks are just a waste of space.

[cug]

Originally Posted by Dallara

"Like on the BMW" hardly constitutes a class as large as "Ducs, Triumphs, KTMs, Honda, you name it."...

Ducati Multistrada 1200, KTM 1190 Adventure, 2013 R1200GS. I don't think the Tiger 1200 has one, but it likely doesn't need one as the Triple doesn't build as much compression and therefore engine braking as the big twins.

And for what do you need it? Big twin engine braking is quite harsh. If you ever start riding a bit faster and downshift hard you'll notice your rear wheel hopping and losing road contact because the engine braking is too much. But as you old farts are going so slow anyways, Yamaha has probably decided it's not worth the effort ...

[GrahamD]

Originally Posted by cug

But as you old farts are going so slow anyways, Yamaha has probably decided it's not worth the effort ...

Back in the day when we ran single cylinder 5Litre bikes Sonny...We learned throttle and clutch control

We didn't didn't need no stinkin' slipper clutches or syncro on the first gear...or bloody suspension for that matter...

Young Pussies.. .