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Old 12-28-2012, 09:56 PM   #15046
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Lots of imports from Germany, no issues yet. They do have a reputation for being efficient. I think someone else reported about a month to get their ECU back from Italy.

Been trawling through the S10 forum's ECU reflash results only thread. Some of the posts raised question marks, like Fredz's, S Palmer's, Z06's so I am looking for more info before sending off my ECU. I appreciate your recommendation.

I am still wondering, do all these vendors develop their own reflashes, or is it something they are getting from a common source, maybe Yamaha???
My recollections of my post flash reports on the YST forum reported my testing of my reflashed S10 versus a stock S10. After reading the reply above from ECU Unleashed, it sheds light on the results of the testing I did. They report only a slight (3-4) HP gain at top, but a significant gain in midrange. The biggest advantage that my bike showed in those tests was in 6th gear roll on from lower RPM, about 2500, if I recall correctly, in which I walked away from the stock unit. In the drag race where we were both Wide Open Throttle, there wasn't much difference at those higher revs. My 10,000+ miles riding it since then have reinforced to me that the midrange is much improved, with very satisfying roll on performance. I don't do any WFO drag races, but do a lot of mid range rollon, especially coming out of curves and it is great there.

Since then I have showed another S10 owner the clutch switch mod and we rode both bikes. He was amazed at how much it improved his bike, but we both felt the better overall powerband of my reflashed bike.

It makes no difference to me whether others choose to do a reflash, but I would do it again in a minute.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:01 PM   #15047
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Thanks for the input, Fred. I've just been comparing the ECU Unleashed reflash reports by you and others who seem satisfied but not overwhelmed by the change, with those of the Europeans like Tobers, Blue Eyes, and Spasm, who practically creamed their jeans after testing their reflashed ECUs.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:10 PM   #15048
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I never take your posts the wrong way...

Been trawling through the reflash results thread and the original reflash thread, as well as threads on other forums. Since your Google Fu is unsurpassed, why not post up the result of the "who develops the reflashes" question, it would take you less time than typing about how much this subject has been rehashed.


If I keep doing it for you then how are you ever gonna' learn to do it yourself?

I mean c'mon... To use your logic, why not spend as much time searching a bit and reading the results as it would take less time than typing the same questions on different forums! It's even easier than finding a turn-signal equipped taillight on e-Bay...

As for Fredz's posts having supposedly "raised question marks", just read his brief reply above...

We all bet on a re-flash, and so far no one I'm aware of has decided to go back to stock. So I'll ask again - What's that tell ya'?

And on another note... Euros always seem to be more effusive and emotional in their reports, good or bad, than those in the States in my experience.

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Old 12-28-2012, 10:13 PM   #15049
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Thanks for the input, Fred. I've just been comparing the ECU Unleashed reflash reports by you, Pluric and others who seem satisfied but not overwhelmed by the change, with those of the Europeans like Tobers, Blue Eyes, and Spasm, who seem to practically cream their jeans after testing their reflashed ECUs.
Yes, it was interesting after reading how their reflashes turned their bikes into screaming beasts. Not the case here in the USA. The bikes run better, but they are not screaming beasts. Makes me think that different countries just possibly may require different ECU tunes to meet different regulations and if that be the case, wouldn't the after flash impressions be different for those bikes with possible different ECU's? They do have different part numbers.

Some of our friends over there also had PCV's and other mods, I believe. All I have is an Akra can plus the ECU Unleashed ECU on mine and I am thrilled with how it runs.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:17 PM   #15050
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If I keep doing it for you then how are you ever gonna' learn to do it yourself?

I mean c'mon... To use your logic, why not spend as much time searching a bit and reading the results as it would take less time than typing the same questions on different forums! It's even easier than finding a turn-signal equipped taillight on e-Bay...

As for Fredz's posts having supposedly "raised question marks", just read his brief reply above...

We all bet on a re-flash, and so far no one I'm aware of has decided to go back to stock. So I'll ask again - What's that tell ya'?

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Old 12-29-2012, 08:26 AM   #15051
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Lots of imports from Germany, no issues yet. They do have a reputation for being efficient. I think someone else reported about a month to get their ECU back from Italy.

Been trawling through the S10 forum's ECU reflash results only thread. Some of the posts raised question marks, like Fredz's, S Palmer's, Z06's so I am looking for more info before sending off my ECU. I appreciate your recommendation.

I am still wondering, do all these vendors develop their own reflashes, or is it something they are getting from a common source, maybe Yamaha???

Just call Ed at AF-1. I'm pretty sure he would be happy to explain what ever unanswered questions you
may have. From what I understand there must be modifications available in the mapping for aftermarket
items on your bike. High flow exhausts, intake mods etc. They can make the reflash to fit stock or
modified. This is coming off the top of my head from what I recall reading when I was going to have it done.


Originally, based on the Euro feedback, I too had really high performance improvement expectations.
After hearing what the US reflashed bikes riders were reporting I lowered those expectations.
Yes I would have it done again. Considering what you pay for the bike and what most people add
in farkles, it is money well spent to have the fueling system so well sorted out.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:30 AM   #15052
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Lots of imports from Germany, no issues yet. They do have a reputation for being efficient. I think someone else reported about a month to get their ECU back from Italy.

Been trawling through the S10 forum's ECU reflash results only thread. Some of the posts raised question marks, like Fredz's, S Palmer's, Z06's so I am looking for more info before sending off my ECU. I appreciate your recommendation.

I am still wondering, do all these vendors develop their own reflashes, or is it something they are getting from a common source, maybe Yamaha???
Did mine together with a friend ... OTR handled it very fast and in a week I got it back ... and I'm in South America with a lousy Post Office.
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:32 AM   #15053
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Yeah, if I recall it is a 5mm allen. Once I figured that out, it wasn't too bad.
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...My recollections exactly. Of course, the good news is that you don't have to do it but once!

Dallara

Thank you, Gentlemen.

This is exactly what I was referring to, in regard to any possible "gremlins"


I have another possible question, but have decided to read-up a little more, before I ask...


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Old 12-29-2012, 03:32 PM   #15054
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I have another possible question, but have decided to read-up a little more, before I ask...

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Old 12-29-2012, 03:53 PM   #15055
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Thank you! Thank you very much!

Improving forum experiences everywhere, one "Search" inducing post at a time!

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Old 12-29-2012, 03:57 PM   #15056
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In prep for my trip to the Americas next year I decided to check and grease my rear suspension components.

Once I had stripped out the suspension link I checked the swing arm for play and was surprised to find some. The book says there should be none. It was perhaps 1mm at the wheel axle end. On inspection it was not the bearings but a loose swing arm axle. Not loose as in coming undone, but more like it needed torqueing (is that a word ?) up. Once all greased up and reassembled all was good with no play.

As is usual, there was very little grease on the pins. Unfortunately this is normal for Yamahas. It presents itself as a problem after time as the pins seize in the bearing sleeves.

Anyone considering doing this, do not remove the cap over the swing arm nut (beside the cardan joint) as it says in the book. It is unnecessary. It holds the Swing arm nut in place.




This is the pin that needed tightening. As can be seen, it is starting to rust.


The pin was very tight to undo so just tightening further would probably not help. Fortunately it comes out very easy. It remains to be seen if the swing arm loosens up again with use. It may just be the new grease filling any gaps at present.

EDIT: I should add, the pin shown above is a very loose fit in the bearing sleeve (the machined tube part that that actually touches the needle rollers) and this was where the play came from
Ray,

Wish I had found this post before I did this. The nut holding plate is a bitch to remove and is unneccessary as you say. Had to cut an allen wrench to make it small enough to get those little bolts out. Oh well, now I know....

When I look at the needle bearings in the dogbone there is a light brown residue that comes out that is in between all of the needle rollers. It is semi-solid but breaks up easily. It is hard enough that it almost acts like an inner cage for the needle rollers.

I can only assume this is dried up grease from the factory?

I am replacing my rear shock at 11,000 miles so this service is obviously premature but once the shock is off you are halfway there and I have never seen a Japanese bike with sufficient grease in these pivots.
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Old 12-29-2012, 04:23 PM   #15057
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I was wonderin' if anyone would catch that. Apparently, it was a direct hit, and Allan's gotta' huge hole in his battle ship.


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Old 12-29-2012, 04:24 PM   #15058
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That is so funny.

Yea, you will get his ire if you ask a "no search" question.

But if your question is legit, he is very likely to be the one that makes the biggest effort to post help. The Dude is thorough!

Helped me a few times while he helped others.

My only complaint is how much money it costs to keep up with him. :)
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Old 12-29-2012, 04:27 PM   #15059
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...Helped me a few times while he helped others...

He hasn't done anything for me, until he lets me take that Desmosedici for a spin.

That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it...


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Old 12-29-2012, 04:28 PM   #15060
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Ray,

Wish I had found this post before I did this. The nut holding plate is a bitch to remove and is unneccessary as you say. Had to cut an allen wrench to make it small enough to get those little bolts out. Oh well, now I know....

When I look at the needle bearings in the dogbone there is a light brown residue that comes out that is in between all of the needle rollers. It is semi-solid but breaks up easily. It is hard enough that it almost acts like an inner cage for the needle rollers.

I can only assume this is dried up grease from the factory?

I am replacing my rear shock at 11,000 miles so this service is obviously premature but once the shock is off you are halfway there and I have never seen a Japanese bike with sufficient grease in these pivots.

Ain't it the truth...

When I got my Penske rear shock and forks re-done by Stoltec at 0ver 20,000 miles I pulled the steering head apart as well as the swingarm pivots and shock linkage pivots, and found just what you did - remarkably little lubricant. What I did find appeared to be relatively high quality stuff, but there was preciously little of it.

And like you that has been more the norm rather than the exception, but in my experience it's not just that way with Japanese bikes. When I did similar services to lots of other brands - BMW, KTM, Ducati, H-D, etc. - I found much the same thing. Just seems to be one area that most manufacturers use *just* enough to do the job.

That said, I have seen a lot of folks use way, waaaaaaaaaay more of a lubricant than necessary, often to the detriment of the vehicle, in many cases. Restraint is often needs to be the watch-word, like with some brake slider pins, etc., and some folks just don't get that. OTOH, It sure seems to me that too many manufacturers scrimp too much on pivot lubricants, etc.

One thing this all points to... If you've got a Super Tenere then regardless of mileage you might want to consider servicing your swingarm pivot, linkage pivots, and steering head.

Just my two centavos... YMMV.

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