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Old 12-31-2012, 08:22 AM   #15091
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As a former 1150 owner, I definitely fell into the horror story category. I'm sure there are plenty of high mileage BMWs with few problems. I also think there are some defensive owners also who may not be entirely truthful. When I was part of the BMW faithful, an inmate here told me he didn't trust his beloved GS's once they got past 30-40k miles. That is why he bought a new bike every year or two. Yet over at GSpot, I have seen him defend BMW's stellar reliability time and time again.
I've heard a few stories like that. I posted on the oil head thread and a lot of those guys said when buying new you should automatically figure in the cost of the extended warranty. If I looked at it objectively I'd scratch the BMW off my list. Normally most things I buy can be described as bomb proof or bang for the buck. From what I've read the BMW often falls short in both those categories. But it has won adventure tourer of the year accolades time after time. I'll test ride both and go from there. So far in terms of reliability the Japanese bike should do better, and that's very important to me. I just expect a bike to work. I do all my own maintenance because I'm cheap not because I enjoy it. So I'd rather spend my time riding then wrenching.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:34 AM   #15092
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As a former 1150 owner, I definitely fell into the horror story category. I'm sure there are plenty of high mileage BMWs with few problems. I also think there are some defensive owners also who may not be entirely truthful. When I was part of the BMW faithful, an inmate here told me he didn't trust his beloved GS's once they got past 30-40k miles. That is why he bought a new bike every year or two. Yet over at GSpot, I have seen him defend BMW's stellar reliability time and time again.

Amen to that, Bruddah!

I'm a former 1150 owner, too, and though mine never suffered any major meltdowns it had tons of niggling things go wrong, like the fuel clamps (which almost caused a huge fire), but what was really disconcerting was all the potentially major ones I *JUST* caught before they went nuclear... That began the nagging thoughts of distrust, where I always worried if the bike would get me home. One day I realized that's not the way you want to feel about a long-distance mount.

And like you, during those years I rode the Beemer I had met riding folks who rode 'em, some who became riding buddies, and most of those were the devout BMW kool-aid drinking faithful. Some of them are well and truly bat-crazy... I know one who has suffered *TWO* final drive failures, a major clutch failure, an alternator failure, and a couple of other major meltdowns - all in less than 50,000 miles - and he still owns that POS R1150R, and loves it! Oh, and he can rant about what a POS, no good, prone to breaking down pile it is, but nobody else better mention it... Oh, no! Then he becomes ultra defensive about the marque and raves about "German Engineering"!

And heaven forbid the guy I know who is the former BMW dealer... He has had no less than 8 BMW products in the last 7 years - with at least two at any one time - and he'll bore you senseless telling how "reliable" his Beemers are. Of course, he rarely rides any of them more than a few hundred miles from home... And none get more than a few thousand miles on 'em! He spends most of his time with 'em changing the oil and polishing 'em!

And I know several others who do just as your friend... They simply buy new Beemers ever couple of years, and they only ride about 15,000-20,000 miles in that time. Those are the ones constantly preaching from the Propeller Pulpit about BMW's "Legendary Reliability" and how they've owned 20 of 'em and never had a problem... Well, except for this little thing, and that little thing, and the other thing, too, etc., etc., etc.

It's hilarious sometimes.


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Old 12-31-2012, 11:46 AM   #15093
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Here’s my 2-cents (short and sweet version) on the topic of the reliability of the GS.

#1. Bought a new R1200GS. Loved the bike
#2. Took the bike in because I ran out of fuel even though the fuel level indicated I had 1/2 tank. Apparently when the bike was assembled at the factory the rubber hose between the two sides of the tank was pinched. Thus one side had fuel, the other was empty. Still loved the bike.
#3. Took it to the shop to repair the fuel level censer. Still loved the bike
#4. Took it back to the shop in less than 300 miles to have another fuel censer installed. Still loved the bike.
#5. Took it back to the shop to have an electrical problem fixed (would not start with side-stand down)(yes, I had it out of gear ). It took the mechanic a few days (3-weeks) to locate the real issue but it was fixed. Still loved the bike but was starting to get tired of the repeated visits to the shop.
#6. Took it back in the shop for ANOTHER fuel level censer. Was told that BMW is aware of this problem and a permanent fix is now available. Still loved the bike but was having doubts in the back of my mind.
#7. Took the damn thing back to the shop because after the last fuel censer was installed I could smell raw fuel. The frickin mechanic didn’t put the fuel cap gasket on correct. Yes, I still loved the bike but had serious doubts with the dealers mechanics as well as BMW’s reliability.
#8. You guessed it. Took the #($#$*&#*#$ #$(#$@**%$$@#$* thing back into the shop for an oil leak (If I wanted a bike that leaked oil I would have bought a Harley). I still loved the bike but I no longer trusted it.
#9. THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMELS BACK. Rode the bike to a work related seminar that was just 100 miles from the house. Put the side-stand down and watched as a RIVER OF OIL ran out the back of the bike. It took the local BMW dealer 68 days to fix my bike. DID NOT LIKE THE BIKE ANY LONGER. SOLD THE DAMM THING AND BOUGHT MY SUPERTENERE.

The above occurred in less then 14,000 miles.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:22 PM   #15094
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But it has won adventure tourer of the year accolades time after time. I'll test ride both and go from there.
Wife rides a BMW, (F650GS), I ride a Super Ten and my last two bikes were also Yamahas, (FJR 162k, FZ-1 14k sold to get the FJR). Full disclosure, the BMW has been a horror story after it hit 30k.

Bottom line on your above statements, the guys that labeled the GS "adventure tourer of the year" didn't pay for the bikes they were raving about, didn't pay for the repairs to them, and had zero concern for dealer locations and costs over the ownership of the bike. Does BMW make wonderful riding, feature rich bikes? You bet! And do test ride everything on your list and maybe a few not on your list to get the broadest ideas on what you like/dislike, but also peek at the aftermarket and prices of things you might choose, that can be an eye opener too.

BMW has a spotty dealer network, really hit or miss tech training and don't offer in house extended warranty, (though I have been hearing that may change soon). The bikes are not 'user friendly' in terms of doing your own work. I had to mail order a genuine BMW factory service CD, (no paper OE manual exists), in part because the dealer we have nearest to us, (130 miles away in a different state), refused to sell us the OE CD. And the CD sucketh mightily. Its like peeling layers of an onion to get to the info you need. Most of the time I give up and start searching the forums to find torque specs and specific info to do a repair.

I recently had the joy of replacing all the wheel bearings and the steering head bearings on the GS at 48k. I can tell you this, the quality of the OE bearings was piss poor. It's very common on some BMW bikes to lose bearings at what I consider unbelievably low mileage. The rear wheel bearing and steering head bearings didn't last 50k on the little GS. The fronts were not far behind and if I han't been religious about coating the axle in Honda Moly60, the front would have likely already failed. It was almost frozen and the axle was spinning on the inner sleeves instead of the bearing turning as freely as it should have been. (no side play though).

I have a lot of friends with BMWs. They are good people, but I don't always agree with the choices they make, or how they go about making them, Buy nothing on emotion and sex appeal that you're actually going to use. Many, if not most of my BMW friends, and myself in regards to the GS, have experienced the joys of multi-hundred mile tows to the dealer. You know, the closest dealer, when the bike becomes un-rideable due to a break down. BMW quoted me $500 to replace the steering head bearings, btw. $65 of parts for higher quality bearings and seals. Even at $95/Hr labor, the book time was excessive.

Ask yourself this, do you want to become a knowledgeable BMW mechanic? Or do you just want to ride the bike? If you don't have deep enough pockets to just take it to the dealer every time and not flinch at the repair bills, buy the Super Ten or some other Japanese bike and just ride it. I know far more about fixing the GS than I would like to. And far more details about the fine print in aftermarket warranties.

I've ridden the WeeStrom and DL1000 ManStrom and prefer the 650 for it's tossability, but it wasn't going to meet my needs. You have to certainly consider what your needs are and how you want to use the bike. I do a lot of touring and endurance rally riding. The extra flexibility of the Super Ten, and it still having the power to cruise comfortably while heavily loaded and go anywhere was the draw for me. But I'm also 5'11", 250# too.

Off topic, you TX boys need to call a RTE. I'm currently traveling with the wife and in New Orleans for new years, but might be able to convince her to detour along the third coast for lunch in a few days.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:37 PM   #15095
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...Ask yourself this, do you want to become a knowledgeable BMW mechanic? Or do you just want to ride the bike? If you don't have deep enough pockets to just take it to the dealer every time and not flinch at the repair bills, buy the Super Ten or some other Japanese bike and just ride it. I know far more about fixing the GS than I would like to...


Off topic, you TX boys need to call a RTE. I'm currently traveling with the wife and in New Orleans for new years, but might be able to convince her to detour along the third coast for lunch in a few days
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Can I have another Amen, Bruddah!!!

I know what you mean about becoming a much more "knowledgeable BMW mechanic" than I ever wanted to...

Even the Ducati's I've owned haven't been the maintenance and repair headaches the BMW's were. What's that tell ya'?

On another note, Dirty Bike...

When and where are planning to visit on the Texas Gulf Coast? Drop me a PM if you're gonna' be down my way and I'll happily buy you guys lunch, dinner, drinks, whatever!

You've got my e-mail address, too, so if you prefer drop me a line that way.

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Old 12-31-2012, 03:21 PM   #15096
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I've owned the DL1000, 1150 GSA, and now the S10. I like them all for different reasons. The V-strom was an awesome bike, fun on the twisty parts and problem free. It just wasn't much fun riding two-up. The GSA was also fun to ride, stayed planted on the road like no other bike i've owned and, yes it required more maintenance than other bikes I've owned. But...I knew that before I bought it. For some, doing maintenance, valve adjusts etc.. is enjoyable. The S10 is probably my favorite of the three but I'll need more time to give an honest answer. Then again, if it's got two wheels, no matter what brand, I kinda like it.
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:24 PM   #15097
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I've owned the DL1000, 1150 GSA, and now the S10. I like them all for different reasons. The V-strom was an awesome bike, fun on the twisty parts and problem free. It just wasn't much fun riding two-up. The GSA was also fun to ride, stayed planted on the road like no other bike i've owned and, yes it required more maintenance than other bikes I've owned. But...I knew that before I bought it. For some, doing maintenance, valve adjusts etc.. is enjoyable. The S10 is probably my favorite of the three but I'll need more time to give an honest answer. Then again, if it's got two wheels, no matter what brand, I kinda like it.

What didn't you like about riding the Dl1000 two up. I've got the 650 now and I ride two up everywhere. It seems fine to me, but I also used to ride two up on 650 thumpers so it's all relative. I'm used to needing to shift frequently.
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:39 PM   #15098
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Also is there a good tenere specific forum that I could be delving into now?
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:44 PM   #15099
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Also is there a good tenere specific forum that I could be delving into now?
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com

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Old 12-31-2012, 03:49 PM   #15100
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Anybody know of any. Aftermarket turn signals besides the touratech ones? I saw add in motorcycle ,at for rizoma turn signals from Italy? They look pretty trick anyone familiar with these? Stock s 10 signals are hiedious even my 08 klr had way better signals!
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:51 PM   #15101
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Yamaha LEDs!

Much smaller and much brighter available at any Canadian Yamaha Dealership.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:32 PM   #15102
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Link? Do they sell these on line anywhere¿
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:36 PM   #15103
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Much smaller and much brighter available at any Canadian Yamaha Dealership.
Not DOT approved in the US, so not available thru dealers here. Call just about any Canadian dealer and they will sell them to you and ship them South though.

Check the Vendors section of the Super Tenere Forum and I believe there are a couple of Canadian dealers listed.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:08 PM   #15104
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What didn't you like about riding the Dl1000 two up. I've got the 650 now and I ride two up everywhere. It seems fine to me, but I also used to ride two up on 650 thumpers so it's all relative. I'm used to needing to shift frequently.
By the time I loaded the bike down with gear for a trip and add my passenger, the front end gets light. I could have fixed this easily enough buy spending some cash on an aftermarket setup like Penske or Ohlins. Instead I chose to switch bikes. Realistically speaking, I would have been money ahead by keeping the bike and making it work for us. Other than that, the Strom was one of my all time favorite bikes. Guys can pitch shit on it if they want to because its not everything their bike is. At the end of the day, I had a smile on my face every time I went for a ride.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:43 AM   #15105
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Anybody know of any. Aftermarket turn signals besides the touratech ones? I saw add in motorcycle ,at for rizoma turn signals from Italy? They look pretty trick anyone familiar with these? Stock s 10 signals are hiedious even my 08 klr had way better signals!
Yamaha led's turn signals are good. If you like smaller ones Rizoma have a lot (quite expensive but nice).


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