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Old 02-26-2010, 02:46 AM   #1501
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The tank capacity seems a little small at 22 litres.
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:49 AM   #1502
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The tank capacity seems a little small at 22 litres.
But maybe it'll do 100mpg
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:40 AM   #1503
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How much power and torque?


I like the looks and it's good to see shaft-drive and tubeless spoked wheels (shame the rims are not the right size for the my KTM). But the weight! I'm sure it'll make a fine tourer. BMW R 1200 GS meets Honda Varadero. Perhaps it's what the Varadero should have been.

No power and torque figures given. At times Yamaha can be quite conservative with power (not the R1). What will they be? 130 hp - it needs to be at least that as it's so heavy? Torque? Bore 98, stroke 79.5 mm - by modern standards it's a longish stroke (LC8 950: 100 x 60 mm) which points to less power, more torque. In order to keep piston speed to a reasonable level (but still higher than the LC8 950) the red-line starts early: 7500/7750 rpm which suggests an engine tuned for torque rather than power (good). 90 lb/ft? Maybe a little optimistic.

My guess: 125 hp, 90 lb/ft.

What do others think?

It's not for me, the KTM 950 ADV is.
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:45 AM   #1504
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I like the looks and it's good to see shaft-drive and tubeless spoked wheels (shame the rims are not the right size for the my KTM). But the weight! I'm sure it'll make a fine tourer. BMW R 1200 GS meets Honda Varadero. Perhaps it's what the Varadero should have been.

No power and torque figures given. At times Yamaha can be quite conservative with power (not the R1). What will they be? 130 hp - it needs to be at least that as it's so heavy? Torque? Bore 98, stroke 79.5 mm - by modern standards it's a longish stroke (LC8 950: 100 x 60 mm) which points to less power, more torque. In order to keep piston speed to a reasonable level (but still higher than the LC8 950) the red-line starts early: 7500/7750 rpm which suggests an engine tuned for torque rather than power (good). 90 lb/ft? Maybe a little optimistic.

My guess: 125 hp, 90 lb/ft.

What do others think?

It's not for me, the KTM 950 ADV is.
It's already been announced at 110hp
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:47 AM   #1505
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110PS according to Yamaha.

261kg..........................


Poor effort from Yamaha.

I think most of us where expecting the Japanese 950/990 challenger, but Yamaha has given us a Veradero clone!
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:48 AM   #1506
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It's already been announced at 110hp
Dam!

How about the torque?
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:48 AM   #1507
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Japo cheapnics

Thanks for the pictures. Just a reaction to some of the poor attention to detail.
No steel-braided-teflon-break-hoses just cheap rubber ones. SSTB is standard on Bmw.

Lots of details from cast aluminium like the foot-break-pedal or the consoles holding pillion pegs. If that bends its almost impossible to straighten. To make it strong it will get heavy.

The mirror-arms, the handlebar-buttons and the rear break calipper holder look like something from the 80-ies! The shaft attachment to drive is soo 80-ies as well. Look at an old bmw! Jiiesch and people are talking about good looks?? Does all the design go into plastic fairing?

Good luck with all the needlebearings and linkage at the lower rear shock. Improbable they will last long off road.

That "balcony" created by the bashplate is going to collect tonnes of sticks/stones/mud.

Sorry I refuse to whack-off to something so sloppy/stupidly made for "adventure".
This is a SUV that that sells on looks and feelings not common sense.
All these "I-want-one" or "I-buy-one-now" confirms the old truth that 90% of people riding motorcycles don't know shit about them.
That of course does NOT include YOU!
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:55 AM   #1508
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110PS according to Yamaha.

261kg..........................


Poor effort from Yamaha.

I think most of us where expecting the Japanese 950/990 challenger, but Yamaha has given us a Veradero clone!
Yes, I agree, a poor effort. It's a nice BMW.

I don't think we were "expecting" a Jap 950/990 challenger, but "hopeing" for that. It's not in Yamaha's DNA like it is in KTM's.
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:03 AM   #1509
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Eh?

What a mob of whinging buggers. Sounds like there are a few bike designers on this site, what bikes have you people designed? If the new Yamaha's no good for you then bugger orf and buy something else. How many BMW 1200's have been sold? They are a heavier and wider bike why haven't yoo lot got a 110 page thread whingin about them?
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:26 AM   #1510
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What bikes have you people designed?
All of them, they are generally made from super lightweight unobtainium, and have 300Litre fuel tanks, weigh 20Kg with a full tank and last forever, all the money saved can be spent on a selection of the 400000000 available accessories, the parts if they ever need replacing present themselves to you on a platter and are self installing, the motor produces 1100Kw and 1000nm of gut wrenching torque and all for $1000.00 USD. Hey a bit pricey but you have to pay for quality.

Anything else is just a poor imitation really.

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Old 02-26-2010, 04:37 AM   #1511
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What a mob of whinging buggers. Sounds like there are a few bike designers on this site, what bikes have you people designed? If the new Yamaha's no good for you then bugger orf and buy something else. How many BMW 1200's have been sold? They are a heavier and wider bike why haven't yoo lot got a 110 page thread whingin about them?
Sorry, I forgot to mention the exhaust header pipes: still making them out of that goldy-coloured mild steel that rusts quicker than an unpainted Ducati frame! Come on Yamaha, my 1986 SuperTenere had that poor quality!
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:50 AM   #1512
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Sorry, I forgot to mention the exhaust header pipes: still making them out of that goldy-coloured mild steel that rusts quicker than an unpainted Ducati frame! Come on Yamaha, my 1986 SuperTenere had that poor quality!

It is called a Super Tenere isn't it?

There you go, Tradition.

Anyway, they are supposed to be protected by a thick layer of gunk so who cares?

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Old 02-26-2010, 04:56 AM   #1513
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How many BMW 1200's have been sold? They are a heavier and wider bike why haven't yoo lot got a 110 page thread whingin about them?
We don't need to... they're self destructing!
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:23 AM   #1514
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i think it'd be interesting to see what bikes the guys picking fault with the s10 are riding.... seems like hating this bike is a requirement if you ride a bmw...

personally i think it's a nice looking bike - and the 2012 model might have aeverything sorted and be just right.... not the replacement for my '91 s10 i was looking for tho... i was hoping (unrealistically i realise) for a midweight bike to compete with the 800gs an 990adv...

i think if i was going to replace it now i'd save myself £8000 and buy a xtz660
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:26 AM   #1515
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i think it'd be interesting to see what bikes the guys picking fault with the s10 are riding.... seems like hating this bike is a requirement if you ride a bmw...

personally i think it's a nice looking bike - and the 2012 model might have aeverything sorted and be just right.... not the replacement for my '91 s10 i was looking for tho... i was hoping (unrealistically i realise) for a midweight bike to compete with the 800gs an 990adv...

i think if i was going to replace it now i'd save myself £8000 and buy a xtz660
Isn't a xtz660 a mid range bike?
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