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Old 01-02-2013, 10:06 AM   #15136
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Grey can jump
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I don't know if I want to be in the area when that thing lands. I wonder what it will register on the Richter Magnitude Scale? Great pic.
Imagine the earthquake this can produce!!
In the landing the “clonck” I hear was spectacular…



At least the Yamaha has a good suspension…
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:20 AM   #15137
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...At least the Yamaha has a good suspension…

I had a question for the regulars...


When I first started reading about the ST, I seem to remember that some folks thought that the suspension was a little stiff.

My findings were exactly the opposite. I feel that the suspenders are a little soft, for my taste.

I've caught some really small air, on some of the roads in the Texas Hill Country (cattle guards, dips in the road, etc.), and have heard the bottom touch-down.

I have checked the suspenders, on both ends, and found them to be set to the factory medians.


What is your opinion?; Do you think the suspension is soft or hard?...


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Old 01-02-2013, 10:21 AM   #15138
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I would say white but I'm getting to black..

so... gray is the colour ???
All 50 shades of gray.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:25 AM   #15139
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What is your opinion?; Do you think the suspension is soft or hard?...


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I run the preload stiffer on the front and rear. I tend to travel loaded and I'm not
exactly the aftershot for Weight Watchers. So I vote on the soft side.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:32 AM   #15140
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What is your opinion?; Do you think the suspension is soft or hard?...
My 2 cents; it's soft....

I was spoiled though, previous bike (DL650) was set up by Hyperpro in the Netherlands, and I could ride that bike very hard across bad ground and it would even out the bumps like you wouldn't believe. Unfortunately I was so into the farkling I made the stupid mistake of getting the suspension done at 2.000mi. That never gave me the chance to experience the OEM suspension for a lenghty time, but even after 2.000mi I felt it was just way too soft.

On the S10, I get the same feeling I had with the DL OEM suspension. Driving across some roads I know really well I had to slow down quite a bit because it was just too jittery/bumpy. Also the nose dive, even under moderate braking is a bit too much for me personally. The Hyperpro setup makes a nosedive very hard to happen. I'm up to about 15.000 mi now, so I can justify the change because I do have some time on it now. So this year, it's going to Hyperpro for the full treatment, and I'm sure it will be a transformed bike (especially with the Motorradworks heightening kit )

Don't know what others might say, but then again I seem to think all bikes come undersprung from factory...and before you ask...6ft6in and.....170 pounds! If you want to know how it looks when I ride the S10, it's like a giraffe riding a pedalbike - knees everywhere!
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:50 AM   #15141
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I would say white but I'm getting to black..

so... gray is the colour ???
im hangin on to that but

Jackson did sing it doesnt matter if you black or White ..

but if you gray what will happend then
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:24 PM   #15142
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Grey can jump
Yea, I'm on OEM suspension currently and that shot would result in a hard knock on mine. (20,000 miles) She is feeling soggy a bit, compared to new. And I rode an S10 with about 50,000 miles on it and I thought the seat was in the low position. It wasn't!

Compared to OEM from decades past, I admit the Tenere is really nice. But to ride it like this guy is, you need Dallara's bike. Or one that gets kitted with the coming Tabasco-Ohlins getup.

Can't wait. :)
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:39 PM   #15143
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seriously good shot...

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I had a question for the regulars...

When I first started reading about the ST, I seem to remember that some folks thought that the suspension was a little stiff.

My findings were exactly the opposite. I feel that the suspenders are a little soft, for my taste.
I find the OEM fine, not the best but pretty good for OEM. I don't jump on purpose but where I live it's going to happen at some point.

What I have found though is the standard setting for me at 85Kg was slightly under damped with the OEM tires. A click or two more on the damping fixed that for the front.

When the K60's went on I needed a couple of clicks more to smooth it back out. I think the back could do with some more damping controls as well.

However I don't think YAMAHA expected the "pipe and slippers" brigade would be doing what many have ended up doing, otherwise they would have fitted even stiffer longer suspension.

Compared to the Strom 1K which was a bit softer on the street, but then tended to suffer "lockup" when it got really crappy, I think that it is really sweet.

Those that have the gold plated suspension fitted to their bikes may disagree but fancy suspension is something I will only look at when it is re build time. starting with the rear.

But what I can say is that this bike has me chasing limits rather than avoiding them so time will tell.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:57 PM   #15144
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...Those that have the gold plated suspension fitted to their bikes may disagree but fancy suspension is something I will only look at when it is re build time. starting with the rear...

When do you think you'll be ready for a suspension rebuild, Graham?

Just curious. As you know I went the whole nine yards with Stoltec... Penske rear shock and Eibach spring out back. Penske valving and new springs up front. But I didn't do mine until it was a year old and had over 21,000 miles on it. What amazed me was finding out just how badly the stock suspension had degraded over time. Like you, I thought the stock suspension was pretty good (though too soft - I had to ride with the rear preload cranked full stiff from day one) when I got the bike, but then as miles piled up I began to notice it being a bit limp. It was only when I put on the new suspension pieces that I realized just how bad things had gotten.

To say the new suspension pieces were an incredible revelation would even be a gross understatement!

On thing to note... When Nick Stoten at Stoltec pulled my forks apart he was rather surprised at the wear of the fork bushings on both legs. Though they were not *worn out*, they were worn to the point that he recommended I replace them no later than about 30,000 to 32,000 miles (when the oil is about due to be changed again). So that's something perhaps everyone should keep an eye on.

He also told me that despite the Super Tenere's forks *looking* like a nice set of MX or Enduro bike forks that they were far from it internally. Essentially the internals are built off of a couple of years back R6, so that's something else you might want to note.

Just FYI...

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Old 01-02-2013, 02:36 PM   #15145
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Hi Folks!

Ive been hanging around this thread since summer.
and im about to buy me an s10.

I currently own a ktm 690 enduro which is a fun bike
but

there is always a BUT ;)

i have started to getting tired of her and all the things she is demanding from me almost like my wife.

i just cant decide which colour


:) :)
690E? selling?

Color? I have black one, but then I am very comfortable with my sexuality.
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Old 01-02-2013, 02:57 PM   #15146
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What is your opinion?; Do you think the suspension is soft or hard?...


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Soft if you want to do serious off road

Ok for touring or soft off road
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:02 PM   #15147
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Soft if you want to do serious off road

Ok for touring or soft off road
I concur.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:13 PM   #15148
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I upgrade my suspension to a BM with lots of adjustments including the length. The bike handling improves a lot and is the best investment if you want to save your sump.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:32 PM   #15149
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I upgrade my suspension to a BM with lots of adjustments including the length. The bike handling improves a lot and is the best investment if you want to save your sump.

I couldn't agree more...

The only two "performance" upgrades to my S-10 is the Penske suspension and the ECUunleashed re-flash, and I think those are the two best things you can do to the bike. IMHO maybe the two best cost/benefit ratio things out there.

The ECU re-flash gets rid of all the low-end stumble, etc., smooths out the power delivery, and eliminates the throttle restriction in the first three gears... In my mind giving you the power delivery the design engineers intended before the emission compliance guys got involved.

And then the suspension upgrade pays you dividends all across the board... Smoother, more compliant ride while still being firmer and more controlled... More ground clearance, both for off-road riding and cornering clearance on the pavement... Less fore and aft pitching under acceleration and braking... Better traction, better control, better feel, and better surface feedback... It just makes everything better, period.

And even when you do both you have way less money wrapped up in the motorcycle than a BMW G/S, all while still having something more reliable and with suspension custom built just for you!!!

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Old 01-02-2013, 04:02 PM   #15150
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When do you think you'll be ready for a suspension rebuild, Graham?
When it's giving me the shits..
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