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Old 02-26-2010, 02:04 PM   #1546
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Before you freak out you should compare the prices of bikes that are already sold in both countries. How much does an R1 cost in the UK compared to the USA?
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:10 PM   #1547
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Before you freak out you should compare the prices of bikes that are already sold in both countries. How much does an R1 cost in the UK compared to the USA?
Better yet, how much does its direct competitor - the GS -cost in the UK?

Here is what MCN had to say about the price:
Yamaha has confirmed the new ‘first edition’ version of the 2010 Super Tenere 1200 will cost £13,500 in the UK.

The Super Tenere is the bike Yamaha is aiming squarely at the BMW R1200GS and the lucrative and ever-growing adventure bike market.

If you were to spec up a BMW R1200GS to a similar level as the Yamaha Tenere it would take the basic price of £9925 to around £12,200 – just under £1300 less than the Yamaha.

The Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere will first appear in a limited ‘first edition’ guise during 2010. This first model will come with parts that will be available as optional accessories in 2011.

The bike will only be available by reserving it online – no dealers will be getting demo bikes and everything will be sold online; just like the Yamaha V-Max was in 2008.

To underline the limited edition Super Tenere’s off road ability, the bike will come fitted with left and right aluminium 30-litre (tbc) panniers, purpose-fit headlight protector (for off-road use only), and sturdy aluminium bash plate.

A unique first edition decal will set this bike apart from the basic model.

The basic undressed (read cheaper) version of the Super Tenere will appear in 2011 and buyers will be introduced to a world of genuine Yamaha accessories to spec their bikes in a similar way to BMW’s popular R1200GS.

Official accessories listed so far (www.yamaha-motor-acc.com) on top of the panniers and bash plate for the Super Tenere are:

Taller screen
Twin fog light kit
Engine crash bars
Heated handlebar grips
Wind deflector panels
Super Tenere tagged tank pad
35mm lower rider’s seat
Tank bag
Aluminium 30-litre top box
Inner bags for panniers and top box
LED indicators with black, chromed or carbon fibre finish
We'll have to wait until this all plays out, but the preliminary data is that this "Japanese GS" is both heavier and more expensive than the BMW.

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Old 02-26-2010, 02:44 PM   #1548
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If they price compared it to a similarly specced GSA1200 the price gets closer but still wieghed in favour of the GSA, unless u get silly and start speccing ESA and other bits, then price evens out but the GSA probably has more "bits". Thinks YamUK are going to need to discount to ship in significant numbers, may be they just want low volume high profit instead.
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:07 PM   #1549
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Before you freak out you should compare the prices of bikes that are already sold in both countries. How much does an R1 cost in the UK compared to the USA?
£12,620 on the road 2010 RRP for YZF-R1 in the UK
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:39 PM   #1550
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If they price compared it to a similarly specced GSA1200 the price gets closer but still wieghed in favour of the GSA, unless u get silly and start speccing ESA and other bits, then price evens out but the GSA probably has more "bits". Thinks YamUK are going to need to discount to ship in significant numbers, may be they just want low volume high profit instead.

Strange, if you take a full-ops beemer in holland you have to pay 3500€ extra upan the aforementioned 16,999€.

Don't forget to order the beemer iclusive ABS *and* TSC *and* Panniers *and* Touratech tidbits...

It's now use to compare the whole enchelada with a hamburger without seasoning...
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:02 PM   #1551
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Radiators....

This may have been mentioned, I have looked , the bikes looks the part, how will the side mounted rads last when the bike ends up on its side, means the bike would then need engine/rad guards for any reasonable adv touring? Any thoughts?
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:13 PM   #1552
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£12,620 on the road 2010 RRP for YZF-R1 in the UK
I wonder if the whole tenere thing is a response by Yamaha to go after BMW's top selling bike, because of BMW's move on the YZF-R1 with the S1000RR.

And secondly, I wonder if the likes of Suzuki and Honda are miffed enough about that to start watching the tenere very closely.

The Japanese started (with Yamaha from memory) attacking the cruiser space fairly early on once people decided that HD was worth paying big bucks for

But I suspect, just as was the case with HD and cruisers, the public may just continue buying the "traditional brand" and a few each year will migrate to the new kids on the block but it will take time to build up.

So I watch the Supersports space and the ADV space with interest at the moment.

In Australia, while we haven't suffered as greatly with the GFC, R12GS sales have fallen reasonably sharply, but that has been mainly because of the F650/800GS, not other brands.

So sometimes I wonder whether the general public have a really simple take on the whole thing.

Cruiser --> Harley
ADV Tourer --> BMW
Sports --> JAPS
Ring Dings and Dak Daks --> JAPS

In Australia (A very small market)
KLR650 is the biggest selling ADV Touring bike.
GS and the Stroms battle for second.
F800/650 Third.
and the rest.

BMW sell the most ADV combined 1128
Followed by Suzuki Stroms 641
Kawasaki are next with a single model KLR650 530
Then Tiger - 172

KTM are down there somewhere..

In Australia the Strom market has been growing steadily over the years and has now reached about half the sales volumes of the RRR bikes. (model to model) EG Strom Vs FZ1R.

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Old 02-26-2010, 04:18 PM   #1553
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Sorry, I forgot to mention the exhaust header pipes: still making them out of that goldy-coloured mild steel that rusts quicker than an unpainted Ducati frame! Come on Yamaha, my 1986 SuperTenere had that poor quality!
Nooooooo, I don't think so.... They look exactly like my TDM900's header pipes, which are high quality stainless steel and holding up very nicely
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:22 PM   #1554
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In Australia (A very small market)
KLR650 is the biggest selling ADV bike.
GS and the Stroms battle for second.
F800/650 Third.
and the rest.

BMW sell the most ADV combined 1128
Followed by Suzuki Stroms 641
Kawasaki are next with a single model KLR650 530
Then Tiger - 172

KTM are down there somewhere..

In Australia the Strom market has been growing steadily over the years and has now reached about half the sales volumes of the RRR bikes. (model to model) EG Strom Vs FZ1R.

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Off topic, but I thought Suzuki's DR650 single, outsold the KLR650 in Australia ?
Got any numbers on DR650's sold...

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Old 02-26-2010, 04:43 PM   #1555
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OK so for the Ring Dings and DAK DAK's

In the "offroad" sales charts (Ring Dings)

Suzuki DR-Z400E 1647
Honda CRF250R 1578
Yamaha WR450F 1558
Yamaha PW50 1535
Honda CRF450R 1431
Yamaha YZ250F 1284
Honda CRF230F 1278
Yamaha TTR50 1174
Honda CRF50F 1136
Yamaha YZ450F 1050


TRAIL CHARTS (DAK DAKS)
Honda CRF230F 1278 1148 11.3%
Yamaha TTR230 848 999 -15.1%
Suzuki DR650SE 813 792 2.7%
Yamaha XT250 359 436 -17.7%
Honda XR250L 160 397 -59.7%
Yamaha XT660Z 114 0 100.0%
Suzuki DR-Z400S 109 102 6.9%
Honda XR650L 8 0 100.0%
Kawasaki KL250-H 4 53 -92.5%
Yamaha TTR660 1 0 100.0%

I was looking at the "Adventure TOURING" bikes, but you are correctomundo if you look at the REAL ADV bikes as well.

Thanks for that.

So I wonder where the XT1200Z will appear then?

BMW might have a big whinge and get them moved to the "OFFROAD" or trail category if they are too successful

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Old 02-26-2010, 04:45 PM   #1556
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Maybe Yamaha just want to sell to rich people and BMW to not "as rich" people.
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:57 PM   #1557
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Ehm better first get yer facts right, the Duc aka The Mandril, is a SMT with just a little less lard, and only a bit more hp, but at high revs 118,7 Nm @ 7500 rpm, compared with the 114 Nm @6000 of the Tenere,
yea but you forgot the 150 horsepower and the low 400 lbs weight. Thats a bit more than "a little less lard" Oink Oink soooooeeeeee
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:03 PM   #1558
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yea but you forgot the 150 horsepower and the low 400 lbs weight. Thats a bit more than "a little less lard" Oink Oink soooooeeeeee
This is true, different kind of bike though.

How many people are going to take a Ducati anywhere KNARLY knowing it will dumped on a regular basis.

In Australia, the first dump will have the bike written off.

It amazes me that people take Stroms and GS's where they do.

It's the other end of the spectrum to a big KTM.

It does sealed roads, from rough to smooth and some easy dirt, maybe after a check with the insurance company.

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Old 02-26-2010, 05:06 PM   #1559
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I was looking at the "Adventure" bikes, but you are correctomundo if you look at the REAL ADV bikes as well.
You forgot to list the Ct110 as well that is stick in road bikes (I think) for some reason.
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:10 PM   #1560
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Much appreciated Graham, I'm always using Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc., as examples of real world motorcyclists, turning to the DR650 over the KLR650. Tough and challenging locales, where motorcycles are viewed as something more than recreational toys...

Thanks for providing the sales numbers on the DR650 !

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