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Old 03-02-2010, 03:59 AM   #1651
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I don't like heavy-weight, but...

R3B and others have made good arguments in Yamaha's favour. I must admit, I was was disappointed when I saw the weight, and the fact that Yamaha have chosen to go the GS12/Varadero route, rather than the KTM 950/990 ADV one. A no-nonsense twin-cylinder version of the Tenere 660 would have been nice.

However, we motorcyclists have a lot to thank Yamaha for over the years - they've come up with some great ideas, some have flourished; others have failed, but I admire them for trying.

Bike mag in UK have just weighed the following, wet (full tank of juice):

BMW R1200 GS (2010): 232.0 kg
KTM 990 ADV (2009 ?): 231.5 kg
Triumph Tiger (2009 ?): 236.2 kg

And in July 2009:

BMW F800GS: 218.5 kg
Moto Guzzi Stelvio: 268.9 kg
BMW R1200 GS (2009): 244.1 kg

I'm not sure what the Varadero is wet, but Honda quoted 230 kg dry, so maybe 255 kg? I know they can go well on tight and twisty roads with a decent rider, but the fuel consumption (low- to mid-30s) always falls well below my 950 KTM's (40-odd MPG or 6.5 l:100 km).

Also, Honda's VFR 12 was weighed wet by Bike mag: 266.2 kg - just what Honda quote, and only 4 kg heavier than the BM K1300S. Honda made it sound heavy because they were honest. Maybe it'll be the same with Yamaha.
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Old 03-02-2010, 04:30 AM   #1652
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I would love for yammie to bring the 660 and 1200 tenere to canada...i would own both!

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Old 03-02-2010, 04:31 AM   #1653
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Suspension

Yamaha own Ohlins, right? So why don't they fit Ohlins suspension to their top-end bikes? I know it adds to the price, but the difference is well worth the extra. KTM own WP and use their brilliant suspension, and are all the better for it. Decent suspension provides many benefits beyond machine control - improved tyre wear is one.

My TDM was let down by it's poor suspension - riding a KTM 950 ADV directly after a TDM 900 convinced me to change bikes. There was no way the TDM could do what the KTM could.
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Old 03-02-2010, 04:51 AM   #1654
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Yamaha own Ohlins, right? So why don't they fit Ohlins suspension to their top-end bikes? I know it adds to the price, but the difference is well worth the extra.
Ohlins bought back almost all of the Yamaha interest in late 2007 - Yamaha only has a small interest now (5% or so).

Ohlins is a top-end component, so it makes sense to preserve its cache by only putting in on top end bikes so you can charge a premium for the name and leading edge technology. And I don't think the ST is really aimed at being a "top end" halo bike like the Limited Edition R1's or V-Max - its targeted to be a mass-market bike that sells to a broad and cost-sensitive market. And Ohlins are expensive, and the ST is already taking heavy flak for too-high a price.

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Old 03-02-2010, 05:38 AM   #1655
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Do we know the alternator output or whether or not it takes premium gas?
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Old 03-02-2010, 01:48 PM   #1656
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Don't know the stator output, I have been searching and can't find it yet.

Given the compression ratio it should be OK on 91RON and up.

Whether it feels best on 91RON is another matter but it shouldn't be a problem

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Old 03-02-2010, 02:08 PM   #1657
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R3B and others have made good arguments in Yamaha's favour. I must admit, I was was disappointed when I saw the weight, and the fact that Yamaha have chosen to go the GS12/Varadero route, rather than the KTM 950/990 ADV one. A no-nonsense twin-cylinder version of the Tenere 660 would have been nice.

However, we motorcyclists have a lot to thank Yamaha for over the years - they've come up with some great ideas, some have flourished; others have failed, but I admire them for trying.

Bike mag in UK have just weighed the following, wet (full tank of juice):

BMW R1200 GS (2010): 232.0 kg
KTM 990 ADV (2009 ?): 231.5 kg
Triumph Tiger (2009 ?): 236.2 kg

And in July 2009:

BMW F800GS: 218.5 kg
Moto Guzzi Stelvio: 268.9 kg
BMW R1200 GS (2009): 244.1 kg

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Thanks for posting those up mate

As far as weight is concerned, There are plenty of tradeoffs on materials that an engineer has to make apart from thinner and thicker, read any high end bicycle forum with the arguments about steel vs extruded ALi Vs Cast Ali Vs C Fibre Vs Titanium and you get a good idea about suitability for certain functions.

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Old 03-02-2010, 03:01 PM   #1658
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For the Ausies..

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Yamaha Australia spokesman Sean Goldhawk said it would be available here in June in blue only and at a cheaper price than the BMW.
"There will be lots of accessories available at launch," he said.
If history is any indication, That would be $1.00 cheaper
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Old 03-02-2010, 03:44 PM   #1659
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For the Ausies..



If history is any indication, That would be $1.00 cheaper
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LOL........... True... Next will be USA
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Old 03-02-2010, 05:57 PM   #1660
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BMW F800GS: 218.5 kg
And given the fact that the F800GS Aluminum Panniers weigh 12kg (both, left is 5.8kg, right is 6.2kg, I weighed them this afternoon) plus an estimated 8kg for the rack, plus an estimated 8kg for the Adventure Spec crash bars, an estimated 2kg increase for other crap (hand guards, Aeroflow, rear rack) this means that my F800GS weighs 248.5kg road ready.

Give me that Yami anytime and I take it ...
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Old 03-02-2010, 06:25 PM   #1661
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And given the fact that the F800GS Aluminum Panniers weigh 12kg (both, left is 5.8kg, right is 6.2kg, I weighed them this afternoon) plus an estimated 8kg for the rack, plus an estimated 8kg for the Adventure Spec crash bars, an estimated 2kg increase for other crap (hand guards, Aeroflow, rear rack) this means that my F800GS weighs 248.5kg road ready.

Give me that Yami anytime and I take it ...
Look I don't know why there is this obsession with weight.

A 1200cc bike is going to be heavy, unless you start scrimping on strength OR use some EXPENSIVE exotic materials like titanium or CF.

You can fine tune the weight if you have very good QA and can reliably bring down the "fudge factor" but that is not going to get you much.

Most bikes are "in the ballpark" and the advertised weights are sometimes, umm "in error".

Thanks for weighing the F800 mate. it is good to see some real life figures.

I hope someone will do the same for the S10 once it is out.

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Old 03-02-2010, 07:41 PM   #1662
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[quote

Bike mag in UK have just weighed the following, wet (full tank of juice):

BMW R1200 GS (2010): 232.0 kg
KTM 990 ADV (2009 ?): 231.5 kg
Triumph Tiger (2009 ?): 236.2 kg

And in July 2009:

BMW F800GS: 218.5 kg
Moto Guzzi Stelvio: 268.9 kg
BMW R1200 GS (2009): 244.1 kg

[/quote]

Holy F. Would never have guessed that the KTM 990 was only 1/2 a K lighter than the 1200GS
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:01 PM   #1663
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Great to see some wet weights, now we just need to know whether the weight quoted for the Super Ten is fully kitted or not, I hope it is, 'cos then obviously the base model (which is the one I would buy) will be considerably lighter, here's hoping.

The Varadero is quoted as being 268.7kg kerb weight, 276.7 with ABS.

The ABS 'Dero was originally priced here in Oz at $18,990 plus on road costs, after showing only the mildest interest in one at my local Honda dealer I was promptly quoted $16,990 on road, that was without even asking for a price! The fact that I had mentioned the new Super Ten may have had something to do with the quote perhaps.
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:01 AM   #1664
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Holy F. Would never have guessed that the KTM 990 was only 1/2 a K lighter than the 1200GS
Nor that the GS lost 12kg from 09 to 10.

Is that really what Bike offered? If so, calls the rest into question.

(But good on em for having a go. )
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:05 AM   #1665
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Looks as if the underride-guard is missing.


This seems so because of the presence of the black OEM bashplate hereunder.

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