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Old 03-24-2013, 01:14 AM   #16696
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I understand the logic, but Yamaha recommends premium for the S10, same as the gs.
Premium fuels generally have more cleaning agents in them than regular "made to a price" fuel so long term it's a better choice. It doesn't need the extra octane in general riding situations. It's a simple insurance policy for both YAMAHA and the user.
YAMAHA just recommends using the best fuel available. I don't use it. My local station has the second best available and I use that. Many country stations have the least best available and I use that.

Myself and many people including Davide Biga and Nick sanders and DCStrom use whatever they can get at the side of the road in any country they visit. No issues to date.

If you can get the good stuff use it but don't sweat it. The compression ratio is pretty safe across the range.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:08 AM   #16697
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What are most of you using for a rim sealant. Gotta do tires soon and not familiar with tubeless.

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Old 03-24-2013, 06:27 AM   #16698
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Premium fuels generally have more cleaning agents in them than regular "made to a price" fuel so long term it's a better choice. It doesn't need the extra octane in general riding situations. It's a simple insurance policy for both YAMAHA and the user.
YAMAHA just recommends using the best fuel available. I don't use it. My local station has the second best available and I use that. Many country stations have the least best available and I use that.

Myself and many people including Davide Biga and Nick sanders and DCStrom use whatever they can get at the side of the road in any country they visit. No issues to date.

If you can get the good stuff use it but don't sweat it. The compression ratio is pretty safe across the range.
Yamaha recommended regular for my TDM900, which was nice as it's 10 cents a liter cheaper. Ditto for the FJR. Haven't tried it in the S10 yet, maybe I should.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:36 AM   #16699
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I'd lay money that's the REAL reason Kevin Ash went down.

have to say that the same thought has passed through my mind...
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:00 AM   #16700
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What are most of you using for a rim sealant. Gotta do tires soon and not familiar with tubeless.

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Nothing.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:04 AM   #16701
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Anyone using these MotorAnchor 82 valve stems in their Tenere? Changing tires today, have a spare set and am wondering if they will work.

Confirmed that these do not work on the S10 wheels.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:31 AM   #16702
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Bummer! I was hoping some 90 valves would work! The hand pump I use doesnt fit the S10 design.
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:39 AM   #16703
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Premium fuels generally have more cleaning agents in them than regular "made to a price" fuel so long term it's a better choice.
I have no hard info, but many folks would dispute this. They say the additive package is basically the same for any given fuel supplier, regardless of grade.

And regardless of whether it is or isn't different, I doubt Yamaha specs premium because of the additive package. It's a big 600cc/piston, low-revving, high-compression motor without knock sensors. While many think you can get by on regular, Yamaha thinks you need to run premium for adequate knock margins. Other similar bikes typically spec premium as well.

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Old 03-24-2013, 10:58 AM   #16704
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I have tried running regular fuel in my S10. I got A LOT of pinging at WOT towards the redline merging on to highways. The bike sounded very unhappy. I switched back to premium and it went away. Tried regular from a different source, same thing: high rpm pinging getting on the highway. I'll stick to the premium. This bike needs all the help it can get in the hp department for me on the street.

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Old 03-24-2013, 01:22 PM   #16705
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What are most of you using for a rim sealant. Gotta do tires soon and not familiar with tubeless.

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Nothing.
Like he wrote, I don't use a rim sealer.
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Old 03-24-2013, 02:06 PM   #16706
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Old 03-24-2013, 02:53 PM   #16707
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I have no hard info, but many folks would dispute this. They say the additive package is basically the same for any given fuel supplier, regardless of grade.

And regardless of whether it is or isn't different, I doubt Yamaha specs premium because of the additive package. It's a big 600cc/piston, low-revving, high-compression motor without knock sensors. While many think you can get by on regular, Yamaha thinks you need to run premium for adequate knock margins. Other similar bikes typically spec premium as well.

- Mark
Yeah I know you say that every time. And I say I use 95RON most of the time and use 91RON when available and have no issues when used sensibly. This is the same with the S10, Strom, SV650.

And it is just because I often don't have a choice AND I HAVE FOUND that used sensibly it's not an issue.

Just FYI

95 RON is often labelled Premium in OZ.

S10 compression 11.0:1 No knock Sense -Twin spark
DL1000 11.3:1 No Knock Sense - Single spark
SV650 11.5:1 No Knock Sense - Single spark
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:48 PM   #16708
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Everytime I have needed to use less than 91 on any bike I have been in very remote areas. I also dont get stupid with the right wrist. I will ride moderately till I fill up again. Then....well....i will ride moderately then too.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:04 AM   #16709
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Hi guys, newb here.

What size hex removes the axles? Toolkit seems to be missing a piece.

Gotta get tires swapped and I'm stuck....

Thanks Ryan

ps - my search function freezes my computer, I tried.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:25 AM   #16710
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Hi guys, newb here.

What size hex removes the axles? Toolkit seems to be missing a piece.

Gotta get tires swapped and I'm stuck....

Thanks Ryan

ps - my search function freezes my computer, I tried.
I think it's a 19mm.

One of these is way handy in the tool kit.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOTORCYCLE-T...cba2c3&vxp=mtr

You can also just use a 19mm bolt head with some vice grips. Can't take the KLR out of me.
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