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Old 03-26-2013, 07:56 PM   #16756
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The Harley's already got led lights. Check 'em out!
What's that big thing in the middle. It is it on?

Those blinkers. Are they led? Your Harley is just Soooo last year Twin.

I hope it's not black as well.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:58 PM   #16757
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It is it on?
First translate this bit of Oz into English, then I will try to answer.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:04 PM   #16758
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The Harley's already got led lights. Check 'em out!

Well it's ole the Harley one two punch. Deafen em with pipes, blind em with the lights.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:32 PM   #16759
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Laugh Now that you mention it...

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The Harley's already got led lights. Check 'em out!



Ya' know... It's amazing just how much BMW and Harley, and the riders of those two brands, are alike...

- Both brands sell their "Lifestyle" more than anything else.
- Both brands keep re-hashing the same ol' ideas over and over.
- Both brands consider themselves far superior, even in just concept, than other makes.
- Both brands cost outrageously more than they should.
- Both brands have their own little owners groups, complete with cute "I Ride This Brand" magazines full of ads with the latest "See What I Ride" licensed gear.
- Both brands would have disappeared a long tie ago if they didn't keep falling back on their air-cooled twins.
- Both brands flagship models have some form of traction control - with the BMW it's electronic, and with the H-D's it's lack of power.
- Both brands have some sort of ABS available on all models - again on BMW's it's electronic, and with most H-D's it's simply lack of decent brakes.
- Most Riders of both brands feel compelled, mostly by kool-aid drinking peer pressure, to wear all manner of clothing - riding gear, shirts, boots, underwear, and even jewelry - emblazoned with the marque's name and logos. Most of these "lifestyle" items are ridiculously expensive, too, but those super-superior owners pay it.
- Most riders of both brands like to ride only short distances... With the BMW crowd it's in between Starbucks, and with the H-D crowd it's bars.
- Most of each brands riders refuse to wave to riders of any other brand.
- Each brand's riders seem to believe their chosen name plate is the only one any "real" riders would be mounted on, and some can be downright snotty about it...
- Riders of both brands like to host big rallies where they hope riders of any other motorcycle make won't show up.
- Riders of both brands really like "bling"... With the H-D crowd it's chrome and leather - with the BMW kaffeeklatsch it lights and multi-colored whale-foreskin riding suits.
- Both brands have a legendary reputation for breaking down and stranding their riders...



Have i missed anything?

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Old 03-26-2013, 08:38 PM   #16760
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Have i missed anything?

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Old 03-26-2013, 08:59 PM   #16761
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Laugh But which one?

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A Tenere may be able to actually pass one brand.

No question about that... Pretty easy to pass something broke down by the side of the road!

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Old 03-26-2013, 09:03 PM   #16762
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On that subject..I wasn't aware just what had happened at YAMAHA since I'm not an actual YAMAHA fanboy..Just an S10 fan boy.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news...e-reliability/

YAMAHA seems to have the lead on this worthless reliability thing at the moment..

It's like they have reinvented the 80's BMW. Doesn;t look good eh...

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Outlining its findings, Consumer Reports says that one-in-four Harley-Davidson owners experience a major problem with their machine, while an even more staggering one-in-three BMW owners made a similar complaint. Contrast those figures with Yamaha, which saw similar reports in only one-in-ten of its owners, with Kawasaki and Honda owners posting similar figures.
So looks like YAMAHA is officially three point three times as reliable as BMW. I'm shocked. Hasn't asphaltandrubber.been reprogrammed yet?

You won't hear a peep out of YAMAHA about that though.

And Suzuki is probably in between with all those dodgy rectifiers out there

And Dalllara, you are a cranky old man, funny though
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:07 PM   #16763
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Ya' know... It's amazing just how much BMW and Harley, and the riders of those two brands, are alike...

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But Twin owns both. He must be conflicted.

Time to buy that Yamaha Bolt you secretly desire I think Twin.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:30 PM   #16764
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I'm more model concious than brand. If Honda/Suzuki/Kawasaki had something I liked better I
would be on that side of the fence in a minute.

The Beemer, Harley boys a are very brand loyal group. I don't blame them.
I wouldn't want to have to change my gear everytime I got a different bike.

The guy I went to Alaska with was on a new BMW that had, to me, totally
unacceptable issues. He solved them by trading the bike in for another BMW.

He was at my house a week ago and I asked him if he intended to try the new
waterjacket GS. He had not heard of it. Week later it's in his garage. Deep pockets helps.
Really knew nothing about the changes. Wet clutch, intake design, suspension etc..
all that mattered was it said BMW and that is an important status symbol to him.

Great guy and very fun to ride with. Personally I prefer knowing I'm on the best choice
of bike for finishing a trip than a status symbol.
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:06 AM   #16765
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I'm a Yamaha man. I have had a few other bikes including an 09 GSA (hated it - kept waiting for it to break down).

When Yamaha showed this:



.........my deposit went down....

Unseen, untested, unridden...........just trusted.

I ride 2 up. If I want to keep riding, the bike has to be reliable. So far only 1 recall in 3 years for a weak plastic rear rack support. Not exactly a show stopper (or killer !!!).
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:36 AM   #16766
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Forgot to mention in my S10-GS comparison how good the GS's new LED headlight is. I'm now working with my Yamaha dealer to graft the entire front section onto the Super Tenere so I have the headlight as well as the excellent adjustable screen, beak and led winkers.
no need to go to all of that trouble - Triumph have beaten you to it and called it an Explorer
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:51 AM   #16767
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No question about that... Pretty easy to pass something broke down by the side of the road!

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Old 03-27-2013, 02:11 AM   #16768
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The only time I have been stranded in the middle of nowhere was on my Yamaha TDM900, turns out both the rectifier and stator were fried at 40,000km. Last summer my friend got stranded on the other end of Japan after his FJR's rectifier died.

I know firsthand about BMW's reliability issues. My R1100GS and RT both had failed hall sensors, luckily it was in town each time. My Dakar's radiator fan died at around 25,000 km, lucky again near home. Had to replace the radiator just before that because of pinhole leaks.

But my Road King has been extremely reliable for the past 4 years/56,000 km. Not surprising considering it's the all time highest scorer in Motorrad's 50,000 km endurance test where they calculate the costs of riding for 50,000 km and tear apart the bike, including the motor, to inspect for wear. Harleys have been very reliable for years now.

XT1200Z content: you can see how it ranks on the Motorrad score card below.

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Old 03-27-2013, 02:24 AM   #16769
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The only time I have been stranded in the middle of nowhere was on my Yamaha TDM900, turns out both the rectifier and stator were fried at 40,000km. Last summer my friend got stranded on the other end of Japan after his FJR's rectifier died..

Harleys have been very reliable for years now.

XT1200Z content: you can see how it ranks on the Motorrad score card below.
Eeee gads, It's a whole point ahead of another YAMAHA.

So the next Harley is way down there, and the rest? DNF?

Anyway Twin you either do your homework or you are just really good with darts.

Thanks for posting it up.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:59 AM   #16770
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The KTM RC* is in last place! Does not look good for long term for the 1190 Adventure. I wish more US based magazines would do long term ownership ratings. I agree with some the guys who ride the newer Harleys do rack up some hi mileage with very few issues. I just don't like cruisers of any brand.
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