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Old 03-04-2010, 08:25 AM   #1726
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Do you ride on dirt? If not, that explains your question.

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Old 03-04-2010, 08:30 AM   #1727
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sorry what?? Super Tenere a rip off of R1200GS and Ducati going their own way???

hmmmm.....

as someone else said, the Super Tenere is obviously a Super Tenere, albeit an obese and pampered version...
And don't forget...

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Stelvio

I guess there's only so many options...

(Stelvio picture flipped for right-left consistency with the other pictures...)
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:43 AM   #1728
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:10 AM   #1729
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Multistrada 1200 is by far the most good looking. (of the above)
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:20 AM   #1730
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Ktm!!!

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Say what ya wanna say:


KTM's the best!!!


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Old 03-04-2010, 11:28 AM   #1731
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C'mon Jim, play nice Yamaha's been making Teneres since '83 and the familial resemblance between the S10 and 750 is plain to see.

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You must not forget that most people don't have our experience, they really think the GS is the real thing. They really are brainwashed bij BMW that BMW was the real Dakar "Ubermensch", but as goes with history re-writes, they are verry easily dismantled, just look at which bike won the first Dakar, and the second, and still has most Dakar wins on its name...


And you'll see the GS is just an attempt at copying the success of Yamaha ;)

For them who aren't aware of the real dakar history, the first Dakars were won by Yamaha with it's mother of all modern 4stroke Offroad machines.

The XT500 !



And like this picture shows, BMW is just following its trail

Most Dakar victories are held by Yamaha thanks to mostly the mother of all Tenere's the YZT750 ridden by the famous Peterhansel...




As you can see, its Yamaha who came up with the general Idea, the Beemers of that era still had low exhausts and doesn't look anywhere near the Tenere.



To be honest i like the Beemer with its simple two wheels an engine and a large tank more than all that plastic cladding of the Tenere.

But all that plastic sure keeps you out of the sandblasting wind.

So and now i'm off to Dortmund to see the real thing, bye bye...

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Old 03-04-2010, 11:53 AM   #1732
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These "who was the first?" arguments really aren't very interesting guys.

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Old 03-04-2010, 11:59 AM   #1733
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And what's surprising is the ABS cannot be switched off like on the GS. There are instances when riding on dirt roads where you want to lock up the rear wheel..
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Yamaha are claiming, if I have read it right, that the traction control is advanced enough for that not to be a problem, ie. if there is no front grip, then any front brake applied by the rider is electronically modulated and applied to the rear. Therefore 'switchable' ABS is not needed.

But we need someone to ride one to find out..
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:03 PM   #1734
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These "who was the first?" arguments really aren't very interesting guys.

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Ever seen the beak on a DR750/800? It looks like a BMW GS, and vice versa
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:03 PM   #1735
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I wonder if Yamaha are reading this and wondering if they would sell many units here in the USA.
Of course we would all like to see a Tenere appear on the US market, I for one would love to have one, sometime.

Maybe we should do a poll for Yamaha to help them with their data.

A. People that would buy one right now, no questions asked, if Yamaha brought them in, and if the price was halfway between a Vstrom and a 1200GS.

B. People who would seroiusly consider one.

C. People who would just like to see another choice.
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:05 PM   #1736
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Yamaha are claiming, if I have read it right, that the traction control is advanced enough for that not to be a problem, ie. if there is no front grip, then any front brake applied by the rider is electronically modulated and applied to the rear. Therefore 'switchable' ABS is not needed.

But we need someone to ride one to find out..
So, Yamaha are making a bike for idiots.....
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:10 PM   #1737
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That is the thing I like the least about this new bike..technology. They should have started with a bare bones model like Guzzi did with the Stelvio. I'd be more inclined to buy a new Tenere with zero options..no bags, no abs, no traction control..nothing..bare bones for about $8500 US.
Actually, I'm starting to think that Yamaha have got it right, especially as it applies to Euro riders, where the 1200GS sells thousands and thousands.

Riders here come to ADV bikes from sports-bikes and sports-tourers (not FJR/ST tourers, which as someone pointed out are not considered sports-tourers at all). This customer is used to - expects, even - modern technology, jap reliability, and smooth power delivery. This is exactly what the new S10 promises.

The USA customer, meanwhile, is much more likely to come from a cruiser to an ADV bike. That customer may value 'character', home servicing, and farkles above engine/electrics/modernity. Honestly, I see enough pics of your GS 'windjammer' shields to realise you guys are used to Harleys

The real dual-sport guys, like real supermoto guys, are not well catered for, but they'll make-do anyway. Smal niche, high passion.
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:12 PM   #1738
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So, Yamaha are making a bike for idiots.....
I think they are, in a way. But read some reviews of the latest CBS/ABS on the Honda fireblade - hardened journos and ex-racers are admitting that they can't outbrake that bike with standard set-up.

The BMW K1300S, same story.
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:22 PM   #1739
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I think they are, in a way. But read some reviews of the latest CBS/ABS on the Honda fireblade - hardened journos and ex-racers are admitting that they can't outbrake that bike with standard set-up.

The BMW K1300S, same story.
Sounds great. The thing I don't like about all this tech stuff, is that if you get used to it too much and start to depend on it you take it for granted that you cannot brake too hard on the front before the rear cuts in, what happens when you jump on another bike or the system fails and you don't know how to react.
I'm not being negative here. If you depend on anti lock brakes all the time, you forget how to brake and eventually mess up.
I grew up driving tractors hauling hay on slippery fields in Ireland. A little too much pressure on the brake and you were history on a high field. I use that skill today riding my bike or driving my truck.

Anyway, back to the subject on hand. Enough about ABS and computerised brakes.
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:28 PM   #1740
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sorry what?? Super Tenere a rip off of R1200GS and Ducati going their own way???

hmmmm.....

No, the Ducati is just inspired by Mother Nature:





For me is hard to understand why people is saying the ST12 is ugly and the MTS12 looks nice...

I hardly can remember an uglier bike than this Ducati.
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