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Old 03-04-2010, 04:06 PM   #1756
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About the reliable thing… I would put my money on ANY Jap bike before on an with cheap Chinese build engine provided ‘so called’ German Build BMW.
You keep, wrongly, implying that Chinese engines are used in BMW's. The only BMW that has a Chinese (Loncin) engine is the G650GS and the Xcountry. Actually, it's a Rotax thing, not BMW, as Rotax licensed the Type 654 single to Loncin. All other Rotax engines Type 804 are made by BRP Rotax in Austria.
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Old 03-04-2010, 04:12 PM   #1757
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Hasn't Toyota taught us that a low number of recalls is not necessarily an indicator of good quality?
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Old 03-04-2010, 04:13 PM   #1758
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On the S10, you disengage the ABS by hitting the rear brake first. It specifically says that in the press release.
Are you sure? The way I read it, using the rear brake unlinked the ABS. It's still not clear how or if you turn off the ABS.
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Old 03-04-2010, 04:22 PM   #1759
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I like buying bikes too, but I wouldn't buy one that no one has ever ridden and might turn out to be a dud. Do you have an bailout clause in your purchase agreement or do you lose your deposit if you want out after the roadtests become available?
It all depends on the agreement you make with the individual dealer when you make your deposit. Most deposits, especially for a bike way in the future that doesn't even have a MSRP yet, are completely refundable and in many states, deposits are by law refundable. That's why a 20 person-long waiting list for a bike typically becomes <10 once its available.

Truly an academic discussion with respect to the ST and US availability as it appears at least a year or two away, if ever.

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Old 03-04-2010, 04:22 PM   #1760
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Is it the case that the 1200cc twin is the biggest parallel twin motor used to date in a motorcycle?...or any other vehicle? Seems like a milestone being missed here...it certainly is one big mother of a twin!!!
This is actually the most interesting thing about the new Super Tenere to me, the big parallel twin with the cross-plane crank. This thing has to be a torque monster. I'm so glad that Yamaha went this route instead of an I4 or (god forbid) the V4. This bike is too big to interest me but I look forward to hearing how the new motor performs. Of course, since a demo is out of the question, I'll have to rely on journalists and owners. BTW, I would never buy a motorcycle that I could not demo.
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Old 03-04-2010, 04:24 PM   #1761
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Imho this is a show-case bike for Yamaha; tradition meets technology.

All-roads fans will continue to buy the BMW boxer, sports nuts will gravitate to the MS1200, tall-rounders have the Tiger 1050 triple, and dirt-junkies will still saddle the KTM Adv.

But Yamaha are perhaps setting a mark for the other japanese factories, rather than the euro brands (who are smaller in volume); Honda might release a VFR1200X, Kawasaki are still unsure of a Versys 1000, and the Suzuki VStrom is set to be discontinued.

No-one elsem, with any reach, is stepping up to the plate.
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Old 03-04-2010, 04:27 PM   #1762
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This is actually the most interesting thing about the new Super Tenere to me, the big parallel twin with the cross-plane crank. This thing has to be a torque monster. I'm so glad that Yamaha went this route instead of an I4 or (god forbid) the V4. This bike is too big to interest me but I look forward to hearing how the new motor performs. Of course, since a demo is out of the question, I'll have to rely on journalists and owners. BTW, I would never buy a motorcycle that I could not demo.
Biggest production P-Twin outside a cruiser; two counter-balancers; low intertial torque due to cross-plane crank.

I have a very poor understanding of those terms btw, but I am interpreting all of them as 'smooth as f**k'
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Old 03-04-2010, 04:29 PM   #1763
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My sincere apologies if this might read a little harsh. But those who fit the glove should wear it.

His quote: I can pinpoint the favorite tours of BMW riders blindfolded. I just follow the oil trail and spare parts…
Apology accepted you insensitive clod

But you are right, but can I make a few observations? Ok I will anyway...

If a manufacturer issues a recall, I would consider that a positive in one respect, and that is they are taking some responsibility for the product.
They know that will involve negative PR but do it anyway, so Kudos to them.

However, at some point the sheer number of recalls gets a bit worrying.

Where I come from the brand with the most recalls charges a huge premium for the product IMHO far in excess of the "superior" quality. It starts to look like a "recall" premium after a while.

The other option a manufacturer has is to do a "covert" recall.
When a bike comes in for a service, just quickly change all the sus bits and then make up some bullshit as to why a basic service takes 4 days.
This keeps them off the "official" figures. It would be tempting wouldn't it?

Number three option, is to do what the Japanese have traditionally done and be a bit slower to introduce new wizz bang stuff but err on the side of reliability. That has been the tradition, it does not suit everybody but it has produced reliability. BMW used to be like that. A few models, don;t change too much, stick to what works, but the 80's almost killed them, so I can see why they may have been motivated to change.

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Old 03-04-2010, 04:35 PM   #1764
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Are you sure? The way I read it, using the rear brake unlinked the ABS. It's still not clear how or if you turn off the ABS.
There have been two interpretations I have read.
1) One was the "Don't worry dirt guys you can disable it by hitting the back brake first and that will remain disabled until brakes are off again then it goes back to normal.
2) The rear brake is unlinked so as to enable the gnarly adventurers to lock up the rear if needed.

I would say, given the target market, no2 would be safer and less likely to cause a law suit.

But we will see..

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Old 03-04-2010, 04:45 PM   #1765
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No, the Ducati is just inspired by Mother Nature:

For me is hard to understand why people is saying the ST12 is ugly and the MTS12 looks nice...

I hardly can remember an uglier bike than this Ducati
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Ummm, have you ever seen the previous generation multistrada?

LOl at the pics.
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Old 03-04-2010, 04:56 PM   #1766
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I’m getting slightly irritated.....
And the other side is just as irritated at you. No one has the moral high ground here. Nobody has any definitive reliability data. The "follow the trail of broken parts..." story is silly - I've been on five or six tours with literally tens of rented BMWs; yes, there was the occasional problem, but it was rare and the bikes were thrashed to within an inch of their life. I'd rate the Japanese higher in reliability too, but if all we cared about is reliability, we'd all drive Accords and Camrys.

Pot calling the kettle black.

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Old 03-04-2010, 05:17 PM   #1767
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...and the Suzuki VStrom is set to be discontinued.
A rumor that we've been hearing for at least the last four or five years.

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Old 03-04-2010, 08:48 PM   #1768
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The real dual-sport guys, like real supermoto guys, are not well catered for, but they'll make-do anyway. Smal niche, high passion.

Yeah, we're pretty much left out..I look at new bikes and start thinking of a way to put a carbuerator on them.
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:15 PM   #1769
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And the other side is just as irritated at you. No one has the moral high ground here. Nobody has any definitive reliability data. The "follow the trail of broken parts..." story is silly - I've been on five or six tours with literally tens of rented BMWs; yes, there was the occasional problem, but it was rare and the bikes were thrashed to within an inch of their life. I'd rate the Japanese higher in reliability too, but if all we cared about is reliability, we'd all drive Accords and Camrys.

Pot calling the kettle black.

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Well, if the other side is indeed irritated by me... Got the perfect solution for that: What the heck are you doing on a NON- BMW topic? Arn't there enough BMW related topics here at ADVrider?

I never visit a BMW topic here because the bike and brand doesn't interest me. So: I won't be irritated by the postings there.

But look at all (possible) BMW competitors and there they are, the BMW riders. It is their good right - this is an open forum in first place.

Back2topic. Yam Super Tenere!
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:25 AM   #1770
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Well, if the other side is indeed irritated by me... Got the perfect solution for that: What the heck are you doing on a NON- BMW topic? Arn't there enough BMW related topics here at ADVrider?

I never visit a BMW topic here because the bike and brand doesn't interest me. So: I won't be irritated by the postings there.

But look at all (possible) BMW competitors and there they are, the BMW riders. It is their good right - this is an open forum in first place.

Back2topic. Yam Super Tenere!
Yeah!

So, do you think Yamaha is aiming it to compete more with the GS, or the GS Adventure?




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