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Old 06-03-2013, 10:18 AM   #18091
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I've taken to leaving that bolt out.

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Old 06-03-2013, 10:27 AM   #18092
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Yeah...something like that. It helps offset the added weight of my cup holder.
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:29 AM   #18093
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I agree that upgraded suspension is an improvement. I have never said otherwise.

What I don't agree with is rationalizing it because it improves "safety".

What you keep ignoring is that riders have to ride the bike within it's limits. In some cases, that is within it's limitations.

Is it easier to control and run over difficult terrain with better suspension? Sure.

Is it really night and day for regular road riding? No, it's not. It's a little better.

If you're really trying to tell us that you can stop the bike significantly faster, with a measurably shorter distance, just because of suspension upgrades. I disagree.

If you're trying to say that the difference between crashing and not crashing is suspension alone. I disagree. If that were true, the rider is over riding the bike for the conditions.

You're very experienced in setting up race bikes. The Super Ten is not a race bike. We are not going out on the track and dialing in the suspension based upon lap times. Nor would that be advantageous for street and off pavement riding.

For every scenario you can bring up, I can point to rider awareness, proper training and counter with nearly all of the negative results you would blame on suspension being rider error. The things you speak of in terms of the benefits of better suspension don't suck on the oem suspension. Yes, they can be better, but it's not like the stock bike is dangerous and implying that is a farce. And that is essentially what you were doing.

My point is if you drive a Geo, you're going to drive in that envelope. For basic functions, it doesn't matter if the Ferrari is more capable, it does all the normal things no better than the Geo does. Sure, it stops faster from 60-0. But you don't need that for normal day to day activities and given equal drivers skills, it's highly unlikely that the Geo is not going to stop in any significantly longer period than is necessary. You're not going to rely upon the shorter stopping distance of the superior car.

Put the poorer driver in the Ferrari and the expert in the Geo and the Geo will out stop the Ferrari most, if not all of the time. All that performance isn't making the poor driver any safer. He just has a larger envelope in which to screw up. And he is more likely to be in an accident with that larger envelope.

IOW, safety is about the operator, not the equipment.

Put the poor rider on the awesomely tuned Ohlins and they are more likely to get deeper into trouble before realizing it. Then they are screwed. The bike only does so much. As you well know, it's not the bike, it's the rider. You can't buy skills. (aside from those learned by buying training and learning them)

There is a market for suspension upgrades. Most riders are not in that market. Ditto for ECU flashes. A high percentage of riders can use the restrictions in the first three gears because it makes the bike easier to ride w/o spinning the rear wheel. For those proficient enough to realize they want more, the ECU flash is there. To just get it because other people rave about it isn't such a good idea. It will make the bike harder to ride well off pavement for some.

It's like complaining that the TCS lights up too much with K60s on pavement. Well sure, if you're heavy handed on the throttle and not riding within the envelope you have. Stop whacking the throttle and be smoother and the TCS won't light off all the time and your tires will last longer.

For some, the faster wear on the tires is worth the fun they have. Good for them. But don't whine about short tire life, eh?

If you appreciate the more compliant ride of upgraded suspension, awesome. But don't rationalize it as being safer.
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:31 AM   #18094
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Thanks.

You guys are alright...ya' know that?



EDIT- Fuck me. I guess my post doesn't make much sense under the heel of Eric's post (no offense, Eric).

I was tryin' to thank the guys who posted about the ECU.


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Old 06-03-2013, 10:42 AM   #18095
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EDIT- Fuck me.
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That should be a really short line.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:04 AM   #18096
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Turned my S10 from a Geo Metro to a Ferrari for <$1500. Dayum!
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:09 AM   #18097
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No new camera. Just trying to inject some levity into what has suddenly become a serious thread.

Since my bike looks like this at the moment:



I spent yesterday and this morning working on this:
Gee, how about spending some time with a tooth brush and cleaning the inside of your bike

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Old 06-03-2013, 11:12 AM   #18098
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Turned my S10 from a Geo Metro to a Ferrari for <$1500. Dayum!
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:24 AM   #18099
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That should be a really short line.

Would you stop flirting, already?

If "Ponies" finds-out, he's gonna' break-up with you.


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Old 06-03-2013, 11:26 AM   #18100
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Would you stop flirting, already?

If "Ponies" finds-out, he's gonna' break-up with you.


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That was over a long time ago. He wants somone to eat more than bagels.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:37 AM   #18101
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:48 AM   #18102
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No need to resort to threads.





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Old 06-03-2013, 12:07 PM   #18103
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No need to resort to threads.





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Yep, I believe Pluric likes fishnet stockings and shirts better than a nice ol' set of threads!
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Old 06-03-2013, 12:10 PM   #18104
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Yep, I believe Pluric likes fishnet stockings and shirts better than a nice ol' set of threads!

Fishnet and, of course, ATGATT... As in...

All The GARTERS All The Time.

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Old 06-03-2013, 12:11 PM   #18105
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Yep, I believe Pluric likes fishnet stockings and shirts better than a nice ol' set of threads!
I don't want to know how you know that. NO PICs please.
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