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Old 03-06-2010, 06:33 PM   #1831
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You sure do a lot of reading but still come to the wrong conclusions about the 800GS, such as you saying the 800GS motor is made in China.

You and your Dutch buddy Two Plugs seem to be reading the same bullshit. The 650/800GS motor is made by Rotax in Austria. Now let's see how many more times you're going to say it's made in China.


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Old 03-06-2010, 07:02 PM   #1832
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:05 PM   #1833
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The "Super Tonne" doesn't seem that "cheap" to me ...
That's something you have seen right, it isn't "cheap" in anyway, very solidly built, it really looks the peace (of mind :)
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:45 PM   #1834
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That's something you have seen right, it isn't "cheap" in anyway, very solidly built, it really looks the peace (of mind :)
So... have you put a deposit on this bike yet?
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:50 PM   #1835
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I know 5 people with F8GS's and 3 of them get ridden very very hard and not one collapsed back wheel, or broken chain, or engine seizure.

Your post is bullshit!!
You know of FIVE WHOLE F8GS's that haven't fallen apart!!!

EEEE GADS!!

I am sure that a few S10's will have problems too.

First runs tend to be like that. Your time will come.

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Old 03-06-2010, 08:37 PM   #1836
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You know of FIVE WHOLE F8GS's that haven't fallen apart!!!

EEEE GADS!!

I am sure that a few S10's will have problems too.

First runs tend to be like that. Your time will come.

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I dont think it will.

Most motorcycle problems, from my experieence, come from owner/operator neglect.

If you see a problem, fix it straightaway and you won't have a problem will you?

Some ST's will no doubt have issues, but you can't label all of them as dud's because of one or two.
On volume alone, the F8 has been a monster seller, so issues are bound to arise.

Its just that I haven't seen these "issues" some non-owners are talking about, in the 15 months I have had mine and its done long and hard rides from high country to desert without problem!! Funny that!
No failures! I wonder why that is?


F8s have plenty of their own threads!

Are we discussing STs or F8s here?
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:46 PM   #1837
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I was was putting $ on Yamaha or BMW engineering to be bug-proof in the real world...i'd go all in w/ Yami.


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You know of FIVE WHOLE F8GS's that haven't fallen apart!!!

EEEE GADS!!

I am sure that a few S10's will have problems too.

First runs tend to be like that. Your time will come.

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Old 03-06-2010, 09:14 PM   #1838
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I was was putting $ on Yamaha or BMW engineering to be bug-proof in the real world...i'd go all in w/ Yami.
Most first runs have some issues. It depends on how it is handled. If the company jumps on it quickly and sorts it out it may only be a few months B4 it is rectified. You can test all you like there is nothing like 10,000 people testing for you, especially if 80% of them decide that it should run forever without maintenance.

In YAMAHA's case, they are making a bit of a fuss about being more reliable than a certain other brand.

If they aren't, then there are going to be some very angry/embarrassed people in that company, and I bet you they realize that. You would have to be fairly confident to bluster like that so publicly.

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Old 03-06-2010, 10:02 PM   #1839
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Most first runs have some issues. It depends on how it is handled. If the company jumps on it quickly and sorts it out it may only be a few months B4 it is rectified. You can test all you like there is nothing like 10,000 people testing for you, especially if 80% of them decide that it should run forever without maintenance.

In YAMAHA's case, they are making a bit of a fuss about being more reliable than a certain other brand.

If they aren't, then there are going to be some very angry/embarrassed people in that company, and I bet you they realize that. You would have to be fairly confident to bluster like that so publicly.

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Very true. We got the "second" run of F8s in Australia, so most of the bad stuff was sorted before we got them, that was one of the issues I had when deciding to buy the bike in the first place.
Yamaha wont be the only Japanese company to make big claims that won't hold up. Honda and Kawasaki have been doing it for 30 years!!

As I said, I like the bike, its just not what I expected, but it probably will be next to bullet-proof!! Its heavy enough!!
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:34 AM   #1840
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All bullshit aside, I think the Super Tonne will be a great motorcycle, just not the one I was hoping for.
Hah! And in case anyone missed it...
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Heh, that's a good nickname for this bike because of its weight: the Super Tonner!
Just to be awkward though, I'm going to suggest, "Super-12".

I'm afraid I can't be asked to plough back through 122 pages to see if that's been done before.
Well, Super-12 doesn't seem to be catching on. How about "Super-Tanker"?
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:00 AM   #1841
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Your post is bullshit!!
So because you haven't seen the Tenere in real life, it doesn't exist?

You have a funny look on the possibility of things you know, rest assured the Tenere Does exist, as do the other mentioned things...
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:46 AM   #1842
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In YAMAHA's case, they are making a bit of a fuss about being more reliable than a certain other brand.

Nah, it's even "scientifically" proven, in Germany they do follow the real world statistics, and Honda is No1 in reliability, Yamaha No2, and sadly but true, BMW is on its way down, last year the were 5th, and falling.

The most horrific thing of all is that almost every Beemer tested in their longterm test had Major Technical troubles, with the new K1300 runining its engine beyond repair *twice*...
http://www.motorradonline.de/de/moto...est-bmw/242687
And it's 1200cc brethren had clutch troubles also, it cost 3 clutches before the longtermtest could even start...
http://www.motorradonline.de/de/moto...uhrpark/104511

And shure Yamaha has it's troubles too, but they are fixed fast and without to much fuss, remember the 1 Clutch in 2004 (yes you'll need a good memory with Yamaha :-)
(Yes the Tenere had its troublestoo, in 1987... (5th gear))

We can go on and on about who is better, but whats the use?

There is solid data enough, to prove what i'm saying, but that data is publicly available, just go and search for Recall, or if able to read german read some long term test at Motorrad-online.de
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:47 AM   #1843
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Man - did this thread go off at a tangent.
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:02 AM   #1844
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i want one of these ...and i want it now ,,,
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:07 AM   #1845
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Nah, it's even "scientifically" proven, in Germany they do follow the real world statistics, and Honda is No1 in reliability, Yamaha No2, and sadly but true, BMW is on its way down, last year the were 5th, and falling.

The most horrific thing of all is that almost every Beemer tested in their longterm test had Major Technical troubles, with the new K1300 runining its engine beyond repair *twice*...
http://www.motorradonline.de/de/moto...est-bmw/242687
And it's 1200cc brethren had clutch troubles also, it cost 3 clutches before the longtermtest could even start...
http://www.motorradonline.de/de/moto...uhrpark/104511

And shure Yamaha has it's troubles too, but they are fixed fast and without to much fuss, remember the 1 Clutch in 2004 (yes you'll need a good memory with Yamaha :-)
(Yes the Tenere had its troublestoo, in 1987... (5th gear))

We can go on and on about who is better, but whats the use?

There is solid data enough, to prove what i'm saying, but that data is publicly available, just go and search for Recall, or if able to read german read some long term test at Motorrad-online.de
I can't read German, but that is just shocking. Have the problems with the K1300 engine been ironed out yet, or is BMW still selling it as-is to new "beta-testers"?
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