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Old 09-30-2013, 03:45 PM   #19966
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Vibes

I've not followed this right through, but is it chassis, like tyre balance perhaps?

Mine is what I consider very smooth, but I reckon my Bergs are smooth too, though for some reason people reckon my old 501 is a teeth rattler

Since I sealed up the headers, I reckon mine is a tad smoother too, and the surging is all but gone, as is most snatching from closed throttle.

Be really good if someone else tries this 'fix'.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:03 PM   #19967
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I start to believe that it is the way Yamaha build this bike, maybe the new XT847 triple will be smoother, if they ever build that one :-?
Just bought a 2nd pair of foam grips and soft Pro grips now I just have to grow gorilla hands so I can wrap the hands around it all :-I especially if I go with 2 layers of foam grips.......
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:21 PM   #19968
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Depends. Are you running it above or below 5,000 rpm?





Above, but not wot.


Now seriously... I just can't seem to find a sweet spot with my snowflake at 10-20 mls/hr pace. I don't know really how to express in words that snappy reaction with clutch disengaged at constant speed. Any suggestion.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:30 PM   #19969
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Above, but not wot.


Now seriously... I just can't seem to find a sweet spot with my snowflake at 10-20 mls/hr pace. I don't know really how to express in words that snappy reaction with clutch disengaged at constant speed. Any suggestion.
So try pulling the headers and sealing up the gaskets at the head, worked for me.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:47 PM   #19970
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This bike has good vibes.

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Old 09-30-2013, 07:30 PM   #19971
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Above, but not wot.


Now seriously... I just can't seem to find a sweet spot with my snowflake at 10-20 mls/hr pace. I don't know really how to express in words that snappy reaction with clutch disengaged at constant speed. Any suggestion.
With the reflash in T mode I think you will find your 'sweet spot'

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So try pulling the headers and sealing up the gaskets at the head, worked for me.
This does sound like an odd option but.....

Many years ago I had an XS1100 special. The base gasket leaked at about 20K.
Yamaha agreed to warrant it. Probably because I worked at a Honda/Yamaha dealer
and they wouldn't want the bad press from a salesman.

The mechanic replaced the base gasket and put it back together. It vibrated like one of
my old XS650s. No one would listen to me. It made no sense as far as what work was done
on the bike. I told the service manager something would fail due to the excessive vibration.

A couple of days later the exhaust broke where the header went into the muffler. Both sides.
I took a new 1100 in the back and took the pipes off it. Put them on my bike and it was cured.

I would have never believed it. The vibes were the worst at about 80-85 miles an hour. Of course
when I went out to test ride it there was a police officer who felt the need to test his radar at the
same time. I actually told him why I was speeding and showed him the shiny new pipes.
One of the few times I got off with a lecture and no ticket.
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Old 09-30-2013, 07:31 PM   #19972
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I have a new-to-me 2012 Super Tenere and I need some input regarding the license lamp assembly. On my bike, the entire assembly seems to fit very loose, there is about 1/8" between the assembly and the fender housing that it fits in to.
I know this seems trivial, but I don't want to lhave my light assempbly either shake itself loose or, just as bad, take on water because it isn't seated properly.
Looking at parts fiche, there is a speed nut, a grommet, a collar, a washer and the 8mm bolt that holds it all together. But I'm not sure mine is assembled correctly, as the entire housing shadkes about in a very loose manner.
Does the grommet fits like a standard grommet and goes thru the rear fender housing, then the collar extends thru it from the rear? Thats how mine is, but the bolt won't pull the assembly up snug to the fender in this manner. The parts fiche make it appear that the grommet is more of a bumper, stting between the collare and the lamp assembly.
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Old 09-30-2013, 07:43 PM   #19973
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I'm assuming that the signal the O2 sensors get is corrupted by the leak, which could go either way depending on flow and localised pressure differential etc, and the computer is unnecessarily compensating, causing the surges, and also some minor vibes/noise. I didn't notice the vibes/noise before, but did notice it was quieter smoother after, and more importantly, almost no surging. No other explanation, as nothing else was changed. I do have over 4,000 kms on it now, so maybe that is helping, but not overnight. Also most of the lurch from a closed throttle is gone too, so heaps easier to ride in technical terrain.

Its basically a no cost fix, so be really good if someone else can have a go at it and let us know.
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Old 09-30-2013, 08:45 PM   #19974
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I have a new-to-me 2012 Super Tenere and I need some input regarding the license lamp assembly. On my bike, the entire assembly seems to fit very loose, there is about 1/8" between the assembly and the fender housing that it fits in to.
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Yes it does, so does the instrument cluster.

These are just some of the things that are different to a road bike. There is flex and squish built in to help prevent problems off road in the rough.

This is a not a jacked up street bike.

It's a bush pig.
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Old 09-30-2013, 08:46 PM   #19975
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While I have to echo Pluric's eloquent rebuttal... I also have to laugh, out loud, a lot...

At what price do you think Yamaha should charge for how the bike is delivered? $500 less? A thousand?

How do you feel about the Super Tenere not coming with a skid plate? Or less than perfect suspension? What about the rear rack that's more of an ornament than useful for carrying stuff?

Or would you rather have all the bells and whistles the Beemer WetHead has, and its claimed increased power - at a BMW price - even though you might sacrifice the Yamaha's bulletproof reliability?

Perhaps you buy bikes like people buy appliances... but I buy to help stir my soul, and to make the ride there more memorable than the destination. Not operate the bike at WOT above 5,000 RPM??? You've really got to be kidding, right??? You may want to ride like you're driving a school bus, but that's not me... Nor do I think it's the vast majority of the "adventure" bike buyers out there, or Super Tenere customers, either.

Do you bemoan the fact that some Super Tenere's came with Metzler Tourance EXP's while other came with arguably inferior Bridgestone Battlewing's? Do you claim Yamaha charged you too much because perhaps the stock seat doesn't work for you? Or the stock windscreen? Or stock handlebars? Perhaps I'm missing something, but I really don't hold a grudge against Yamaha because they didn't come consult me directly before release of the Super Tenere... I'm just glad they decided to sell it here!!!

But, hey... If you prefer a band-aid to a real performance improvement (let's not forget the many reports that the ECUnleashed Gen 2 re-flash also improves fuel economy) then by all means, go with the CJM... And when you ride off-road just ignore buying a decent skid plate and instead curse Yamaha for not giving you one in the $13-grand you paid... If the seat doesn't work for you by all means flip Yamaha the bird and suffer a sore bum and more frequent stops... If the bars make your wrists ache don't change 'em, just tell yourself it's too expensive and too much trouble to swap 'em and that you can live with it... All while riding around under 5,000 RPM and missing a lot of enjoyment of a truly magnificent motorcycle.

Yep, that's the answer!!! Curse the night and miss enjoying the day!!!

But me... I love my ECUnleashed re-flash... And my Parabellum windscreen... and my Penske shock and Stoltec-modded forks... not to mention both my Cee Bailey's *AND* Seat Concepts modded seats... Etc., etc., etc.!!!

And imagine how friggin' pissed those BMW, KTM, and Multistrada owners must feel when they have to spend any $$$ to improve their bikes!!!

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I'm not trying to start a flame war with arguably the biggest Tenere fan on the interwebz over a KNOWN shortcoming of the model, but the farkle examples you gave are not relevant to the performance of the platform itself..they are accessories..it's a huge reach and smacks of zealotry.

I like the bike, a LOT, but I'm not so enamored with it to not admit that it is a DOG (for a 1200cc) sans CJM or ECU flash. It just is. Many chalk up the fact that they rot on dealership floors to the fact that it demos so poorly...to the point where if we even get a '14, it will be well after the other models of the same year to give dealers time to clear out the ones they have right now and can't move.

Reasonable people can like something while still being able to point out its shortcomings.

Anyway, I'm going to keep my ten-cent CJM for a while to see if the promised '14 improvements materialize. If so, the $500 will be better spent on it. If not, I'll re-evaluate the ECU flash...who knows, perhaps there will be a Gen3 flash by then. Until that day comes, I have a WR250r (with a well-sorted factory ECU) to farkle.
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Old 09-30-2013, 08:59 PM   #19976
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Anyway, I'm going to keep my ten-cent CJM for a while to see if the promised '14 improvements materialize. If so, the $500 will be better spent on it. If not, I'll re-evaluate the ECU flash...who knows, perhaps there will be a Gen3 flash by then. Until that day comes, I have a WR250r (with a well-sorted factory ECU) to farkle.
Hey I would agree if the big girl was designated a WR1200R, but it's an XT.

I think it was designed with MAMITS in mind not rally racers.

For some reason these low gear restrictions are common across Japanese brands. I still don't know what the explanation is and I'm not going down the path that they don't know enough to get it right. It is done on purpose. 50% of owners don't give a shit and it works well off road. Exactly the same place test rides aren't done.

Hence why I bought it. I don't think it will last like that. It has to work really well on tarmac for 1 hour max. That, and impressing road reviewers is what it seems to sell bikes

But hey, since YAMAHA is getting in touch with their dark side now, I am hoping it's more KTM dark side than GS dark side.

But yeah, it seems a bit silly to tune an engine for low down torque and then cobble the low down torque. I mean then you are behind on maximum power and low end grunt all at once.
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:34 PM   #19977
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I have a new-to-me 2012 Super Tenere and I need some input regarding the license lamp assembly. On my bike, the entire assembly seems to fit very loose, there is about 1/8" between the assembly and the fender housing that it fits in to.
I know this seems trivial, but I don't want to lhave my light assempbly either shake itself loose or, just as bad, take on water because it isn't seated properly.
Until your post, I had never noticed this, but you're right, it has a lot of play. I don't know whether this is good or bad, but I can tell you that I've never heard of anyone having an issue in this area and my bike was 22K miles and the light works fine. I don't think it is broken, so I'd suggest you not fix it.

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Old 10-01-2013, 04:08 AM   #19978
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I have a new-to-me 2012 Super Tenere and I need some input regarding the license lamp assembly. On my bike, the entire assembly seems to fit very loose, there is about 1/8" between the assembly and the fender housing that it fits in to.
I know this seems trivial, but I don't want to lhave my light assempbly either shake itself loose or, just as bad, take on water because it isn't seated properly.
Looking at parts fiche, there is a speed nut, a grommet, a collar, a washer and the 8mm bolt that holds it all together. But I'm not sure mine is assembled correctly, as the entire housing shadkes about in a very loose manner.
Does the grommet fits like a standard grommet and goes thru the rear fender housing, then the collar extends thru it from the rear? Thats how mine is, but the bolt won't pull the assembly up snug to the fender in this manner. The parts fiche make it appear that the grommet is more of a bumper, stting between the collare and the lamp assembly.
I noticed this when I got the bike and first washed it. (doesn't happen often.)

Took it apart and it's supposed to be that way, like Graham wrote.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:35 AM   #19979
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...[the stock Super Tenere] is a DOG (for a 1200cc) sans CJM or ECU flash. It just is.
So you've obviously been been running around off road with the throttle pinned and found the machine wanting a bit? Seriously, can you use more power than the stock ST has in a low traction situation? Turn the TC completely off and then go hammer the throttle on a gravel road and tell us how much more power you could have used. You know for only about $8,000 more you could have a Multistrada. I rarely ponder how to get my 575 pound bike to go much faster off road than it already can. And I have little trouble keeping up with my Multistrada mounted friends on curvy pavement.

I have left my ST completely stock and yes, the fueling off idle is far from ideal. However, with the smallest bit of effort on my part over time I have learned to "ride around" the issue and it simply does not bother me. I've lived my horsepower days for sure and while the ST doesn't have a power surplus, it has plenty. If you bought this bike to be a hot shit street racer, you bought the wrong bike.

It's possible to bitch and whine about anything if you focus on shortcomings but life's too short for that. This bike reliably performs its intended mission very well, imho.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:56 AM   #19980
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I have left my ST completely stock and yes, the fueling off idle is far from ideal. However, with the smallest bit of effort on my part over time I have learned to "ride around" the issue and it simply does not bother me. I've lived my horsepower days for sure and while the ST doesn't have a power surplus, it has plenty. If you bought this bike to be a hot shit street racer, you bought the wrong bike.
This surprises me. I know from the FJR site you like your track days and flogging R1s as well as
your FJR. I don't think money is much of an object so I guess I'm a little curious as to why,
knowing there is an easy performance upgrade available, you at least don't try it?

Off road I can understand. On road you don't feel the need for a little more grin factor?
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