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Old 11-02-2008, 07:40 AM   #271
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:53 AM   #272
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well, seeing as the bike will be revealed tomorrow . i thought i may as well get a head start . it,s too heavy / it,s too light . hooray a 21 inch front wheel , booo , a 21 inch front wheel , the fuel tank,s too small , the fuel tank,s too large , the suspension is non adjustable / the suspension is too adjustable , it,s got wire wheel,s , hooray / it,s got cast wheel,s boo/hooray , the seat,s too high , the seat,s too low , why does,nt it have belt drive,shaft drive,chaindrive,plasma drive ! the paint scheme is terrible, the paint scheme is great , the price is too much , the price is too low , oh and just in case you thought i had missed something out ... WOW ! GREAT BIKE ! but of course they will never sell it in America . did i miss anything out ?
i have my finger,s crossed that it will be a great bike ...
I hate the saddle - it's perfect for me but too high and too low as well.
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Old 11-02-2008, 08:13 AM   #273
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If you were Honda marketing looking at the US (Europe too?) what would you tell Engineering to design and Production to build? Beats me.
I'd guess I would look at the market leader - and that has to be the GS12. This forum is probably as representative of the true market as drivers of Ford Expeditions on a 4X4 forum. There are a million GSs out there and how many of them ever see dirt?

Many users have transitioned to d/s bikes for the same reason SUVs are popular - they are older (and richer) and don't bend as well as they used to. Tall bikes are simply more comfortable and older riders want comfort.
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Old 11-02-2008, 08:43 AM   #274
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I'd guess I would look at the market leader - and that has to be the GS12. This forum is probably as representative of the true market as drivers of Ford Expeditions on a 4X4 forum. There are a million GSs out there and how many of them ever see dirt?

Many users have transitioned to d/s bikes for the same reason SUVs are popular - they are older (and richer) and don't bend as well as they used to. Tall bikes are simply more comfortable and older riders want comfort.
Problem is that the GS has the GS buyers cornered. There seems to be strong buyer loyalty along the BMW line. By my take, the only bike which has used a formula similar to a GS and won over converts is the KTM LC8.

OTOH, you do have a point that there may be a segment of riders currently on cruisers or sporty bikes which would move over to a nice Honda standard buffed up to appear to be an off road sort. Kinda a Range Rover of a bike. I do suspect that Honda being today's Honda, the product would be overly refined and boring as hell.
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Old 11-02-2008, 11:48 AM   #275
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Just some info about the european market:

September sales in Germany:

Platz 1 BMW R 1200 GS: 346 Stück
Platz 2 Yamaha FZ6 Fazer: 331 Stück
Platz 3 Honda CBF 600 S: 255 Stück
Platz 4 Honda CBF 1000: 188 Stück
Platz 5 Yamaha YZF-R6: 163 Stück
Platz 6 Yamaha FZ1 Fazer: 157 Stück
Platz 7 BMW F 650 GS / F 650 GS Dakar: 135 Stück
Platz 8 Kawasaki ER-6f/6n: 133 Stück
Platz 9 Yamaha YZF-R1: 125 Stück
Platz 10 BMW R 1200 R: 120 Stück



September sales Spain: (compared to sept'07... crisis...)


1- Kawasaki Z750 362 u. (-34,2%)
2- Yamaha T-Max500 347 u. (+59,2%)
3- Yamaha FZS600 299 u. (-11,3%)
4- Suzuki GSR600 186 u. (-37,6%)
5- Yamaha R6 2005 154 u. ( -- )
6- Suzuki GSXR600 149 u. (-26.3%)
7- Honda CB600f 144 u. (-24,6%)
8- BMW R1200GS 142 u. (-16,5%)
9- Kawasaki ZX6R 139 u. (-3,5%)
10- Triumph ST675 130 u. ( -- )



Italy is similar to Spain and France something between Germany and Spain.
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Old 11-02-2008, 12:53 PM   #276
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Yamaha Press conference


MONDAY 3th NOVEMBER

1.00 pm YAMAHA T35, Via Tortona 35, Milano


tomorrow we will know more
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Old 11-02-2008, 02:02 PM   #277
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That means it should be announced roughly when I'll have a chance to check on it tomorrow at work. If it appears, I'm calling the dealer and putting down a deposit.
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Old 11-02-2008, 02:11 PM   #278
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Can someone give me a link to where the announcement will be made.
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Old 11-02-2008, 03:00 PM   #279
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Can someone give me a link to where the announcement will be made.
keep checking this site tomorrow ...http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf
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Old 11-02-2008, 08:36 PM   #280
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a friend of mine told me he could look at "the thing". just for few minutes. but he confirmed that in Eicma Yamaha will show the new tenerè 1200.
115 hp, the bike that yamaha will show has allu cases.
and, great thing, 21" front wheel.
In two days we will know everyting!!!!
stay tuned with milan eicma show!!!
Tristano,

Just a note to say thank you for giving us a early notice on the new Super Ten. Those of us who really like Yamaha and recall the days of Dakar glory for Yamaha, really appreciate you taking the time to let us know. I for one am really hoping that this will be the year for Yamaha to come to the front of the Adventure Touring community with a bold new machine.

Many thanks again,

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Old 11-03-2008, 01:10 AM   #281
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keep checking this site tomorrow ...http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf


Having done some light(ish) off-roading on my DRZ, I don't think I'd be too concerned with a 'lack of off road' potential of the new S10. At my level of skill I wouldn't be taking a big trailie off road for a few years anyway

If it operated as an 'all roads tourer', ala the DL1000, then I'd be happy.
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Old 11-03-2008, 01:40 AM   #282
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:15 AM   #283
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Italy is similar to Spain and France something between Germany and Spain.
in Italy we don't buy so late (September), so that's why the value is so low..

From Jan 08 till Oct 08 Bmw sold something like 6000 GS and GS ADV... the 2 bikes combined are at first spot for sales.. if you take only the GS then is 2nd after the Z750..

GS it's an unbelivable seller, kind of the Porsche Cayenne of motorbikes..
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:19 AM   #284
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That means it should be announced roughly when I'll have a chance to check on it tomorrow at work. If it appears, I'm calling the dealer and putting down a deposit.
That's assuming that it will be available in the US......
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:29 AM   #285
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