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Old 07-09-2010, 08:21 AM   #3106
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SGD$30.5K = US$22,60 What % tax do you pay there?

Look for the VIN (serial number) sticker and it will say where the bike is made. Yes, the bike is made in Japan, and these days this doesn't mean much since parts can be sourced from around the world.
Well...it's like this...i just give this simple example on the TDM900 and TDM850 here in Singapore...

The TDM850 was sold as parallel import while the TDM900...You can easily get parts of the 900 as there's a sub-agent and the agent itself that has the parts manual in their inventory...So,we have ready parts almost every part,those weird ones can still be purchase within weeks of waiting...
unlike those parallel import TDM850,some parts you have to order yourself online and some parts might not be available or will take sometime to deliver or to find.

It's just those assurance that you get...

Oh....and the XT660Z is made in Italy rite...it cost SGD$21k here..which riders here thought it's overpriced for a big single...even the AT,Varas,TDM,V-stroms,which is a V-twin,cost around SGD$18k range...the usual Japanese brand big single would cost around SGD$15grand.

The S10 machine price is at SGD$26k...but with tax like COE,certificate of errr(forgot what's the E stands for),7% GST,ERP unit,and those misc items that adds up the SGD$4k.
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Old 07-09-2010, 09:30 AM   #3107
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The XT engine lives on still in the SR400IE, which other bike can boast a engine produced for 35 years now without changing it but for some regulatory enviromental reasons, i can still order new replacenment parts for my 76 engine even BMW doesnt have that anymore. (well okay the changed the innards of the rockerbox with stellite plated rockers)
CB750. Boo-Yah. Not an adventure bike, but that engine's been in production since 68-69.
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Old 07-09-2010, 09:49 AM   #3108
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CB750. Boo-Yah. Not an adventure bike, but that engine's been in production since 68-69.

Not the *same* engine...




But i like the Retro, although it shoeld have been a OHC instead of the DOHC
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:04 AM   #3109
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Not the *same* engine...

But i like the Retro, although it shoeld have been a OHC instead of the DOHC
Ooo, ya got me. Only 10 years as SOHC, and another 30 as DOHC. I guess you're going to say that the switch to hydraulically adjusted valves means the DOHC is not the same engine...
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:41 AM   #3110
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Ooo, ya got me. Only 10 years as SOHC, and another 30 as DOHC. I guess you're going to say that the switch to hydraulically adjusted valves means the DOHC is not the same engine...
Well, then the yamaha Xj750 is also the same engine, also dohc, man this is *off-topic*

The SR has still the samelayout and on some slight changes in webbing of the casings and different metallurgy of some parts, 95% of what i need for my 76er can be ordered still, because it is used in the SR, wouldnt wonder me if i could plant the EFI on my trusty old Weps... :-)

And now a U-turn back on topic, did you know, that even the 2010 tenere has a part of the original XT500 (TT500) designed in 1975?

Just take a caruful look at the right side of the Engine of the XT660Z engine, and you will find a part that's used unchanged since 1975, a real pitty they haven't also put this XT birthmark on te S10, it is also a dry sump...
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:46 AM   #3111
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Olivier,

Have you noticed a difference in fuel economy between the S and T modes? How many km's are you getting per tank?

The guy must have said "character" about the GS's engine about 10 different times, at least. And the down side of the S10? The engine has no character? So does that mean it's smooth and isn't like riding a tractor and no clunky transmission?
GB,

As of today I have only done 380 km mostly on the "useless" T mode. Up to now the fuel economy is 5.8 l/100 km.

When staying under 4000 rpm, the S mode is not really usefull.
I will try it more when the first 1600 km will be done and there will be no more rpm limit.
I don't ride much now because with 32°C outside it is much too hot.

Today I took the 1150 GS to commute. Yes the feeling was to drive a tractor. A nice tractor but a tractor anyway.
The wet clutch of the S10 is for example not agricultural and much more progressive.

So far, I'm very happy with the S10 and I don't regret at all the choice of the S10 instead of the 1200 GS.
I don't also regret the 2000 € more I would have paid for the GS !
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:50 AM   #3112
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So far, I'm very happy with the S10 and I don't regret at all the choice of the S10 instead of the 1200 GS.
I don't also regret the 2000 € more I would have paid for the GS !
So you're singeng Edith Piaff all teh time now :-)
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Old 07-09-2010, 04:32 PM   #3113
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So far, I'm very happy with the S10 and I don't regret at all the choice of the S10 instead of the 1200 GS.
I don't also regret the 2000 € more I would have paid for the GS !
Thank you.. do let us know if you notice a difference in consumption over time between the S and T modes.

There's nothing to regret, if you are keeping this bike for the long term, it will prove to be a more reliable bike than the 12GS.

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Old 07-09-2010, 04:53 PM   #3114
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I have 2 criticisms of the Yamaha luggage.

The lock (the bit that holds the lid down (panniers and top box) is a thin piece of plastic.

And, of you drop something small (a 10mm spanner was one) on the aluminium covers they will dent.

My previous boxes on my 660Z were full of small dents. On my S10, one of the panniers blew over in the wind yesterday (whilst on the ground) when I was washing the bike and I still ended up with a small dent from a stone.

I am only talking asthetics here, they are good otherwise if not too small for my purposes.
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Old 07-09-2010, 05:13 PM   #3115
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That's a very interesting Dyno chart thanks.

The one comment I had from reading it is that, while I don't have any empirical evidence, there is no way a NZ spec Varadero has less power than a Stelvio.

I did the Kiwirider Mag tests on both bikes and thought the Varadero was a wheelie monster compared to the Guzz.

Different countries have different specs I suspect.
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Old 07-09-2010, 06:23 PM   #3116
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My previous boxes on my 660Z were full of small dents. On my S10, one of the panniers blew over in the wind yesterday (whilst on the ground) when I was washing the bike and I still ended up with a small dent from a stone.

Only a snmall one !?!

Come on man a Adventure bike sheuld look battered and bruised like its been around the world in 8 days !
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Old 07-09-2010, 06:29 PM   #3117
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I did the Kiwirider Mag tests on both bikes and thought the Varadero was a wheelie monster compared to the Guzz.

That has nothing to do with power...

My Tricker is a wheelie monster too, with all of its 19 HP :-)

Its not for nothing they call it Climbing in the Chain...
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:24 PM   #3118
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That has nothing to do with power...
Yea - apt phrase nonetheless.

I've had a pretty good ride on all those listed - except only a 950 ktm and 1000 multistrada.

All round/all roads versatility is my thing - and for that I'd rate the Tenere highly.
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:24 PM   #3119
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I am only talking asthetics here, they are good otherwise if not too small for my purposes.
You mean you get that "Gnarly adventurer" look with out even trying

Thanks for the post Wasp and Ray. Very informative.

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Old 07-09-2010, 07:28 PM   #3120
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Great stuff waspman

thanks for the pics .
I pick my S10 up on the 23rd...cant wait.
I agree with you on the top box, it looks great and your pics have changed my mind so I'm ordering one.
Tyres look the part as well. Interested to see how much milage you get out of them

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