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Old 10-21-2009, 09:24 AM   #481
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that's because this bike is coming from another known reliable japanese mfg not bmw.

yep this bike is slotted against the 1200gs and the to be new varadero & (along w/ various other beasts).
i would not make sense to position it any other way or there would be overlap w/ the 660 tenere's purpose.

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I welcome anyone that wants in on the game and would love to see some Japanese competition for the big GS. Seems like they talking the right ingredients for the big bike adventure crowd (mostly street with some fireroad). Could be fun.

I'd like to hear some more on the ABS. 3 positions?
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:28 AM   #482
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could be an illusion as the other components normally found on a bike are not there.

remember the swing arm pivot point is attached behind the rear lower main frame on most bikes and thus part of the swingarm is hidden and is longer than the eye can see anyway.

what i'm happy to see is a dual sided swingarm...ie meaning a strong setup.
& none of this copying of singlesided swingarm arm crap and all the loads & failures that design creates.

if this comes to the us, this is truely a bike i could upgrade my strom from.
a japanese multi-cyl beast, w/ spoked tubless 19" & 17" wheels, shaft drive, selectable abs etc.
yami has done their homework on what people want!

i keep seeing yami produce what i want in the future more than any other mfg.
so far suzuki is my main brand.

a possibility for my new modern 3 bike trifecta:
-supper tenere - big bike adv touring & 2 up to replace the strom
-tenere -anywhere adv to replace the dr
-a FI wr450 when it comes out - off-road adv to replace the xr

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Is it just me, or is that one looooooonnnnnnggggggg swing-arm? Is that an illusion due to angle of pics and the fact that the other is a mockup? Or is it due to the type of shaft-drive Yamaha is going to use?

I don't know why the states are getting hot and bothered. If we can't get the thumper Tenere, why would we get the Super? If I was Yamaha and wanted to get serious about the Adv. Market, I'd intro the single first, test the waters so to speak and get the real word out, then introduce the Super.

We won't see it.

BUT, it looks promising....
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:31 AM   #483
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Some nice details, like the rims!
Roomers says it's gonna be powered with a parallell-twin. Don't like the shaft-drive though..
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:50 AM   #484
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This pic might hold water!

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is that from someone taking a fast cell phone pic?

if that's real, that bike has one big honkin intake inlet.
it looks like a canerous growth.




I believe this pic to be quite authentic, the side front fairing hints at the longitudinal radiators, also the huge intake is consistent with the airbox high up there.
The length of the swingarm is also consistent with the position of the exhaust and the countershaft coupling to the driveshaft.
My only reservation is the length and angle of the exhaust headers, if true it means this engine is not a more voluminous iteration of the TDR/Genesis architecture, the position of the clutch basket reinforces that opinion, it is quite low (Genesis clutch is very high, at the e level of the cylinder heads, giving it the approximately the same weight distribution as a longitudinal V-Twin engine).


This pic might be the thing, filiation is safeguarded, you see it, you know it's a SuperTenere.
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:53 AM   #485
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Shaft drive is one of the only things I wish the ktm adv would have that it doesn't. To each there own I suppose. If the HP2 didnt have those cyc heads and came with a rally style fairing it would be perfect, for me the ktm 9xx adv is as close to perfect as they make without spending a but load of cash on expensive aftermarket parts on an already expensive bike. Who knows, maybe yammy will win me over for my next purchase.
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:08 AM   #486
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You can't blame Yamaha for going after the GS, it's a worldwide best-seller after all, and 90% of riders don't take the 12GS off-road anyway.

I'm hoping the dual-headlight set up stays (from the R1?).
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:08 AM   #487
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Maybe I'm wrong here , but a shaft-drive system would be heavyer than a chain-driven system. And less unsuspended weight is better. BMW has expensive suspension to compensate for this, I don't think yamaha has. Then it's the possibility to change sprockets for different ratio.
I can see the benefits with shaft drive though!
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:12 AM   #488
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:22 AM   #489
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It will just be a street bike dressed as an avd bike ,that my SE will use for traction .LOVE MY SE
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:25 AM   #490
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Hello out there Yamaha corporation. Do you hear us? There is a market in the US for the big bike.

With my GS at over 100,000 miles I will be in the market in a year or two.
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:36 AM   #491
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If those shots are for real, and as Yamaha aren't going to Milan, i wonder if the world premier will be here in the U.K?
Would be nice!!
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:39 AM   #492
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I like the idea that the GS might be getting some direct competition from new manufacturers with updated designs. I'd love to see this bike come to the US, and I think Yamaha has been doing a lot of "right" things for a number of years now.

Interestingly, I think BMW is going to come under direct fire from Japan, Inc. due to BMW's desire to enter the literbike competitive arena. Taking a shot like that at a traditionally Japanese market segment could have some serious repercussions from the big 4 in BMW's proprietary markets. Of course, all that can only mean good things for the consumer as we will have more choices in the marketplace.
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:42 AM   #493
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Maybe I'm wrong here , but a shaft-drive system would be heavyer than a chain-driven system. And less unsuspended weight is better. BMW has expensive suspension to compensate for this, I don't think yamaha has. Then it's the possibility to change sprockets for different ratio.
I can see the benefits with shaft drive though!
I believe BMW's strange front suspension has nothing to do with shaft drive, but it's to stop dive under braking. Yam, Guzzy etc use normal suspension with shaftdrive. For a road bike I see the benefits if your lazy, but I still don't like them. For offroad, I can't see any benefits that 'out weight' the weight of a shaftdrive.

Similar to the Duc Multistrada Adventurer singe sided swing arm, just added weight for no reason other than style. Completely pointless offroad.
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:51 AM   #494
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I like the idea that the GS might be getting some direct competition from new manufacturers with updated designs. I'd love to see this bike come to the US, and I think Yamaha has been doing a lot of "right" things for a number of years now.
Agreed. We need competition to keep the BMW on it's toes.

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Interestingly, I think BMW is going to come under direct fire from Japan, Inc. due to BMW's desire to enter the literbike competitive arena. Taking a shot like that at a traditionally Japanese market segment could have some serious repercussions from the big 4 in BMW's proprietary markets. Of course, all that can only mean good things for the consumer as we will have more choices in the marketplace.
I think you are overthinking that one. The BMW SS1000 is not really much competition towards the Japanese domination of the race bike scene. BMW is no more competition, or threat, than Buel and BMW were already.

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Old 10-21-2009, 11:11 AM   #495
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OK I'm intrigued

I'm ordinarily not a fan of yamaha styling, but this time they have my attention. I hope they keep the weight down though, the 660 is a porker. I would have preferred chain drive with less weight, but that's just me.

Notably, the engine is a 1200 cc parallel twin. I recall when engineers used to sight 800 cc as the outer limit for parallel twins because of vibration issues. We've clearly blown past that with this super Tenere and the 1600 cc version on the Triumph Thunderbird. They must have figured something out.

I like my weestrom for now, but if something better comes along, I'm all over it. Would have bought the BMW F800 but there's no local dealer. So I'm anxiously awaiting this one and hopefully a baby Tiger from Triumph. The lighter one wins. Finally, good times for the ADV rider.
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