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Old 12-04-2010, 03:27 PM   #5566
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Which break-in method did you use?
comment avez-vous rodee votre ST?

Merci.
As in the book ! No more than 3900 rpm for the first 1000 km. Change gears often with light load. Then less than 4700 rpm until 1600 km.
The engine is now much smoother than new.
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Old 12-04-2010, 03:37 PM   #5567
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Rim Profile Construction

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My two cents on this conversation:


What wheel will be stronger, if same material is used?

One where the width of the rim is wider? Or narrower?

1. __!__ Wider rim (looking in profile)

2. _!_ Narrower rim (looking in profile)
Thats another thing contributing to strenght, the profile of a beam

The double TT, or _U_ shape of the frontwheelgive it a load of extra strenght, take en piece high grade paper letter or A4, now fold it with a ruler, so it gets the BMW profile ___----___ turn it on its back andlay it so it forms a bridge between two books fill up the gap between book and sideflanges of the (straight) rim with cd-cases, put a glass of beer on the middle of the bridge...

Expensive experiment huh?
(you now got a glance into BMW moneymaking scheme's)

Now take another piece of hig grade paper and fold it the yamaha way ___|--|___ put another glass of beer on the same bridge of paper construction, thats amoney saver huh ?

Thats the Yamaha happy people filosofy.



Here the results, but anybody who think i tricked in any way, feel free to redo the experiment, but beware, thin glasse could break on the Beemer bridge ;-)

I've done it with som Kikkoman bottles, because i did not want to spill any costly juice.



BMW riled profile; has some strenght, it takes a partly empty Bottle, but falters at a nearly full.



As you see the Yamaha profile is quite a bit stronger, to show how much I put the bottles on top of eachother to make the point of impact smaller (mass centralisation :-), but then i had to put my finger on the top to keep it from toppling, so a little bit more impact even.
Last picture is to show the profile :-)




I hope the photo's are giving some insight of construction basics, and yes the extra ridges on the Yamaha do add some wheight, but look at the immense benefits...



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I never said I knew what I was talking about regarding the wheel R3B thats why I asked.
Loose the tude dude, if thats what I detect, I had no conceptions. I just ride em., I dont design em, nor pretend to.
Which ¿tude? should i use and where can i find it to prevent my BMW wheels from warping, it would be quite a money saver if you could fetch me a ¿tude? to unwarp my wheels...

P.s. could you switch of the neon sign under your postings please?
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Old 12-04-2010, 03:48 PM   #5568
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Finished off my "Initial Impressions of the Super Tenere in the Dirt" video.
Where did you shoot the video (map please ).

Also I noticed your display makes that high pitch squeal is this common to all of them... it's quite loud on mine and I can hear it with my helmet on.
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:04 PM   #5569
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could roll the windows down.......
What, and let the A/C out?!


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Old 12-04-2010, 04:14 PM   #5570
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As in the book ! No more than 3900 rpm for the first 1000 km. Change gears often with light load. Then less than 4700 rpm until 1600 km.
The engine is now much smoother than new.
The book actually says:
0–1000 km (0–600 mi) Avoid prolonged operation above 3900r/min.
1000–1600 km (600–1000 mi) Avoid prolonged operation above 4700r/min.

That means no cruising above 3900rpm... mine was ridden 1000~5000rpm during the break-in.

Also can some one tell me where the name S10 came from? Is it like a lazy way of saying Super Tenere or something official?
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:28 PM   #5571
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Also can some one tell me where the name S10 came from? Is it like a lazy way of saying Super Tenere or something official?
As you indicated, it apparently comes from the S and the Ten of Ténéré. Personally, I don't like the whole S10 thing because I always think of the little slug of a Chevy S10 pickup truck when people type S10. I'll stick with ST or spell it out. To each their own, though.
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:31 PM   #5572
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The wheels. The from wheel at a double ridge or flange if you will, theat the spokes from the hub fix to. Thats good. Spreads the load across the rim somewhat. The rear wheel however looks like a single centered fix point offering no outboard support to the wheel and may be the reason why Wasp tweaked his rear rim in fairly short order.
My guess is wasp was running the tires with low pressure... good for slow speed traction, but will dent/crack rims on rocks...
That and the fact the the rims are quite wide and the tire not... as every one knows fatter tire narrow rim = less dings... specially with cars ;)

By having that center channel the spokes spread the pressure evenly on the rim.

My opinion is that there's very little real world difference in design, the most crucial aspect is the material used... rim/spoke allow.

Assuming the allows are the same Yamaha has a better technical design. Shorter spokes, rim doesn't stick out.

These wheels are designed to take a lot of punishment (note the number of spokes 32 same as ST/GSA but evenly spaced).

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Old 12-04-2010, 04:31 PM   #5573
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As you indicated, it apparently comes from the S and the Ten of Ténéré. Personally, I don't like the whole S10 thing because I always think of the little slug of a Chevy S10 pickup truck when people type S10. I'll stick with ST or spell it out. To each their own, though.

S10 is much better than ST. Too many sport touring bikes are referrred to as ST. It gets confusing. A unique name is better. No other motorcycles are referred to as S10.
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:52 PM   #5574
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I think I might be wrong, can somebody tell me how many spokes the GSA x spoke rim has?
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Old 12-04-2010, 05:18 PM   #5575
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Whats with this guy ?
The intended tone of computer posts often are wrongly interperpted.
Why do you read intent in my posts then?

I'm just a geek trying to answer your question, you get it answered with pictures et all, and still your not happy, do i have to jump trough a hoop first or what do you want, if this is not enough to understand the basics of construction?


I can also give you a stress diagramme, but i'm afraid that would possibly be to complicated,and way off-topic.

These photo's are there to give anyone some insight, but if you still don't get it, just ask questions, i'm happy to explain, if the other inmates don't mind it, ask them first plaese?
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:37 PM   #5576
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Tweeked rim.

Just back from a cross country trip (by car) and spotted these posts.

I did the video's of the power-line trail very soon after getting the bike.
As reported, I did dent the rim (rear rim only) by running it at too low a pressure. I ran 20lbs in a bid to bite a bit more and stop spinning up the rear wheel but it was obviously too low and was overcome by the weight of the machine and the fact that I nailed some fairly nasty rocks.
The front wheel remained straight despite the witness marks of absolute full suspension use and is straight to this day.
I actually cracked the rear rim on that particular day but it still holds air so I will leave it as is.

After the incident I had to tighten some spokes as the hit did slightly kidney shape the rear rim but all is ok and cant be felt too much on road.

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Old 12-04-2010, 08:48 PM   #5577
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S10 is much better than ST. Too many sport touring bikes are referrred to as ST. It gets confusing. A unique name is better. No other motorcycles are referred to as S10.
My ST is my ST1300 that will be traded on a new S10.
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:49 PM   #5578
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Gentlemen,

Finished off my "Initial Impressions of the Super Tenere in the Dirt" video.


If you like what you see, please rate, or better still consider subscribing.
Just a bit of a suggestion on your rear end there eDOG.
Seems to be a bit of free space for advertising..



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Old 12-05-2010, 01:25 AM   #5579
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Just a bit of a suggestion on your rear end there eDOG.
Seems to be a bit of free space for advertising..



Cheers
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Excellent work. Well done.

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Old 12-05-2010, 03:13 AM   #5580
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super tenere 750 1997 model
im from philippines and i own a super tenere 750..can anybody help me where to find a windshield for it? mine was broken and cant find any replacement..and also where can i find a bracket or mounting for saddle bag and top box?and so is the saddle bag and top box..its difficult to find one here in the phils..givi box are available but no mounting and brackets..

pls help!!!!

tnx a lot
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