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Old 03-18-2011, 12:34 PM   #7426
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On the fuel/reserve issue. Just made two stupid experiments (sometimes someone needs to forget common sense and just do things ):

Yesterday the reserve level turned on. What to do? Take the bike for an high speed spin on some wonderfully empty, vast, expensive and otherwise useless portuguese highways. No extra fuel canister, nada... Made 75kms (46 miles) at speeds between 150/160 km/h (94/100 miles/h). Stoped to refill at that distance, due the bike's increasing scooter like CoG meaning a almost total abscence of fuel in the tank.
5 liters in the tank, rolled for 500m and reserve again. So at least we have a 5L reserve.

Today 2nd test, now the definitive. Riding at high speeds, made exactly 78km (48miles) until the bike died, bone dry, 200 meters from the gas station. The S10 makes a wonderfull kick scooter, by the way.

So I can confirm, 5L in the reserve.
Hope this was usefull
Hey that's great . You should do experiment #3. When on reserve ride below 100km/h and see how far you can go.......
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Old 03-18-2011, 12:42 PM   #7427
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For the few people who complained that the XTZ1200Z does not have a gear indicator......:



Digital gear indicator for the large XTZ. Works without contact using the Hall effect principle (sliding no wear friendly contacts).
A mounting bracket developed specially by us for the Hall sensor and some additional installation instructions for the XTZ 1200 the talented Selbstschrauber allow the cultivation.
5 Years limited manufacturer warranty
Shipping costs 6.90

From the weird fender website......
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Old 03-18-2011, 12:44 PM   #7428
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I don´t know if someone posted this already.

In case you are missing a beak on your S10:

http://www.yamaha-voiges.de/index.ph...k=1&Itemid=168

I think, i don´t like it... or...
Well it does fill in that naked spot between the upper forks, but it does take away the best spot for my LED driving lights. What is the point of it (pun intended) .

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Old 03-18-2011, 01:45 PM   #7429
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For the few people who complained that the XTZ1200Z does not have a gear indicator......:



Digital gear indicator for the large XTZ. Works without contact using the Hall effect principle (sliding no wear friendly contacts).
A mounting bracket developed specially by us for the Hall sensor and some additional installation instructions for the XTZ 1200 the talented Selbstschrauber allow the cultivation.
5 Years limited manufacturer warranty
Shipping costs 6.90

From the weird fender website......
Thanks. I'll look into that.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:17 PM   #7430
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All 20.

Originally Posted by Arktus View Post
1.BMW 1300 GT 210
2.Honda Paneuropean 207
3.Yamaha FJR 199
4.R1200RT 195
5.XT1200Z 193
6.Kawa 1400 GtR 185
7.BMW K1300R 184
8.BMW K1300S 184
9.Triumph Sprint ST 182
10.BMW 1200 GS 182
11.Triumph Tiger 1050 177
12.Motomorini Granpasso 177
13.Gold Wing 177
14.BMW 1200 GS ADV 177
15.Yam XJR 1300 176
16.Triumph Sprint GT 176
17.Kawa Z1000SX 176
18.Hond CB 1300 176
19.BMW R1200R 176
20.Triumph Tiger 800 175
Interesting..

4.R1200RT 195
5.XT1200Z 193
6.Kawa 1400 GtR 185

20.Triumph Tiger 800 175

I think the S10 suffers a bit from "Strom" syndrome. It's just not biased enough anywhere for anything to appear "amazing". It just gets the job done without any drama. Which to me is a good thing, but not everyone.

I could guess that the Europeans wouldn't have liked the Goldwing though.
It's definitely a US bike that one.

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Old 03-18-2011, 03:33 PM   #7431
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I don´t know if someone posted this already.

In case you are missing a beak on your S10:

I think, i don´t like it... or...
I do not see the point unless you decide to remove the lower fender or want a more GS look. Anyway, that does not make the cut on my farkles list!
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:00 PM   #7432
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All 20

1.BMW 1300 GT 210
2.Honda Paneuropean 207
3.Yamaha FJR 199
4.R1200RT 195
5.XT1200Z 193
6.Kawa 1400 GtR 185
7.BMW K1300R 184
8.BMW K1300S 184
9.Triumph Sprint ST 182
10.BMW 1200 GS 182
11.Triumph Tiger 1050 177
12.Motomorini Granpasso 177
13.Gold Wing 177
14.BMW 1200 GS ADV 177
15.Yam XJR 1300 176
16.Triumph Sprint GT 176
17.Kawa Z1000SX 176
18.Hond CB 1300 176
19.BMW R1200R 176
20.Triumph Tiger 800 175
Pretty strange lineup, number 1 to 4 are street cruisers (nice one's no doubt) then, from number 5 down we start seeing dual sport/adventure bikes.

Does that mean that the XT1200Z is the top Adventure Bike? The S10 is hardly a comparison to the BMW 1300 GT, Honda Paneuropean, Yamaha FJR, R1200RT, R1200RT and others in that lineup. They are "different animals"

If it were an interactive Zoo the top four bikes would be in one penned area, and the S10 in another completely different environment. The top bikes 4 would be in a "man-made highway/city environment" (no sand or gravel please) the S10 in a "man-made African Savannah environment" (gimmy DIRT! Kinda place)

Magazines "20 best" of anything always make me go

"Presenting the BEST 20 Touring Bikes..."

They should have named the article "Presenting the 20 BEST bikes with two wheels, which seat two people, with engines over 1,000cc (except for one of course) and yes, with luggage!" That I could understand.

BTW, I would LOVE to have all 20 parked in my garage
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:04 PM   #7433
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I really want to get a new paintjob and add a cross fender on the S10, make it look more like the prototype back in 2009.

The bad part is the front fender as is, I could paint it black or remove it all together and replace it but I cannot figure out what to do with the unified brake cables if I do. They attach to the fender and it would be difficult to run them separated if I change the fender.

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I do not see the point unless you decide to remove the lower fender or want a more GS look. Anyway, that does not make the cut on my farkles list!
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #7434
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I really want to get a new paintjob and add a cross fender on the S10, make it look more like the prototype back in 2009.

The bad part is the front fender as is, I could paint it black or remove it all together and replace it but I cannot figure out what to do with the unified brake cables if I do. They attach to the fender and it would be difficult to run them separated if I change the fender.
If you were going to do serious off road work, especially when rocks may become lodged in knobbies, I would be looking at two separate brake lines. Maybe some farkle suppliers could come up with a solution. Greg? Jeremy?

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Old 03-18-2011, 05:24 PM   #7435
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If you were going to do serious off road work, especially when rocks may become lodged in knobbies, I would be looking at two separate brake lines. Maybe some farkle suppliers could come up with a solution. Greg? Jeremy?

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Psst, this is what happens when this happens....

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667236

See the above link and go to post #321 to see that they are doing a group buy and are in contact with line manufacturers on a fix.

Completely doable!!!
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:04 PM   #7436
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Psst, this is what happens when this happens....

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667236

See the above link and go to post #321 to see that they are doing a group buy and are in contact with line manufacturers on a fix.

Completely doable!!!
Thanks for that 1exbmwfan. This is not just a BMW problem though. It's happened to other bikes as well.

But I see that BMW have fixed the rear end problems on their bikes.

Easy, just transfer it to the front end


Yes I'm being a dick

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Old 03-18-2011, 06:12 PM   #7437
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The lines on the S10 are much more rigid (thicker also) and distant from the tire than on the F8, I compared the two next to each other, so I don't think it would be such a serious problem on the japanese
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:18 PM   #7438
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Magazines "20 best" of anything always make me go
All I read that as is that as a "Touring Motorcycle" The XT1200Z is just behind a bunch of dedicated Touring motorcycles.

Now if they went out to the desert, which is not that applicable to most Europeans, I am sure the positions would shift, assuming some of them would have cracked wheels, frames, busted panniers and bent forks, and would probably never make it back.

The S10 would probably be fifth as a Sports bike as well. No surprises there.

The only surprise to me is the complete absence of the Multistrada.

No test bike I assume

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Old 03-18-2011, 09:31 PM   #7439
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Thanks for that 1exbmwfan. This is not just a BMW problem though. It's happened to other bikes as well.

But I see that BMW have fixed the rear end problems on their bikes.



Cheers
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Rear end problems fixed? Riiiiigghhhttttt! You are aware that they recalled the chains and sprockets on the F8GS and F65GS?

But true they did move the problem to the front as well. That was covered under the front axle recall on them.

Yes, I'm being a dick as well.

@ Ze_zaskar

Stiffer lines or longer lines is irrelevant. If a broken fender or rock or anything grabs it and moves it around to the point that it is caught in the tire/wheel the outcome is the same. It is the design that inherently places this at risk.

Not being Chicken Little with the sky is falling and I have no plans to make a change but it is an area that can create an issue. Check out one of Wasp's pics that show his knobbly tires taking up almost all the space between tire and fender. Easy to catch something in there, break the fender, carry the line/fender around the wheel//tire to a point where it gets caught. This would cause the assembly to cease to spin and the result could be the same as I posted.

Determine your comfort level with the design, compare that to your planned riding and hazards, plan accordingly.
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:41 PM   #7440
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If you were going to do serious off road work, especially when rocks may become lodged in knobbies, I would be looking at two separate brake lines. Maybe some farkle suppliers could come up with a solution. Greg? Jeremy?

Cheers
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I'm on the job.
I love the look of this and am keen to get rolling on it one day soon.
I spoke with some of the guys that did the Aussie Tenere tragics run and they are very eager to see it come to fruition because of mud build up under the low guard.
This was not something I was going to bring up until I had completed the working model.
I started this a while ago but there are many other things on the drawing board waiting in line.
This is the first prototype (so form will change asthetically as I approach a completed product, and I have worked out how I will be doing the brake/abs lines.
I will also form some fork slider protectors in plastic as well.

Greg.

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