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Old 02-22-2012, 03:45 AM   #11236
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Any skidplate or mounts that attach to the sump will need to be weaker than the sump so that it is sacrificied rather than the sump when a rock is hit etc . This might defeat the purpose of the the skidplate/sumpguard or limits its capabilities a touch, but I rather have a bent plate/mount than a hole punched into the sump as some flange is sheared off.
I suspect the Yam plate was meant to do that but they "forgot" about the direction of shear that could be applied via impact on the rear sump mount or just rushed it though as a sparkle farkle and not a proper protection device.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:01 AM   #11237
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Any skidplate or mounts that attach to the sump will need to be weaker than the sump so that it is sacrificied rather than the sump when a rock is hit etc . This might defeat the purpose of the the skidplate/sumpguard or limits its capabilities a touch, but I rather have a bent plate/mount than a hole punched into the sump as some flange is sheared off.
I suspect the Yam plate was meant to do that but they "forgot" about the direction of shear that could be applied via impact on the rear sump mount or just rushed it though as a sparkle farkle and not a proper protection device.
I suspect the latter. Attaching a skid plate to the sump is a no no. F800 owners were going through the agony of holes in their sumps for awhile for that same reason.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:06 AM   #11238
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Any skidplate or mounts that attach to the sump will need to be weaker than the sump so that it is sacrificied rather than the sump when a rock is hit etc . This might defeat the purpose of the the skidplate/sumpguard or limits its capabilities a touch, but I rather have a bent plate/mount than a hole punched into the sump as some flange is sheared off.
I suspect the Yam plate was meant to do that but they "forgot" about the direction of shear that could be applied via impact on the rear sump mount or just rushed it though as a sparkle farkle and not a proper protection device.
Bingo. So yes, the SW Motech bits may be deformed, but that's the whole idea. Better to spread the load and sacrifice specific pieces that can be bent back to shape later. The real issue that all these manufacturers are dealing with is that there is no actual frame piece close enough to move loads around the engine.

REAR RACK
Yes, the posted weight limit for the rear rack is really low. Yamaha has done the same lawyerly move on the FJR and other models, the weight is not restricted only on the Super Tenere. The very first Euro Teneres from 2010 had a slightly different design and the design was made stronger before the 2012 models came to the US. Nearly everybody using the current rack has technically overloaded it - some massively. I've never heard of ANYBODY having a problem since those early Euro bikes.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:06 AM   #11239
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I'm sorry to detract from the skidplate discussion. And, I know this has probably been covered in the 11000+ posts. However...


Did I read the rear rack warning label correctly?...11 pounds (5kg) max?

What gives? Many quality topboxes weigh close to that...


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Another Mama Yama liability CYA I'm sure. However, there are much stronger aftermarket racks availabe..Alt Rider being cream of the crop, IMO.
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Old 02-22-2012, 06:37 AM   #11240
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Bingo. So yes, the SW Motech bits may be deformed, but that's the whole idea. Better to spread the load and sacrifice specific pieces that can be bent back to shape later. The real issue that all these manufacturers are dealing with is that there is no actual frame piece close enough to move loads around the engine.

REAR RACK
Yes, the posted weight limit for the rear rack is really low. Yamaha has done the same lawyerly move on the FJR and other models, the weight is not restricted only on the Super Tenere. The very first Euro Teneres from 2010 had a slightly different design and the design was made stronger before the 2012 models came to the US. Nearly everybody using the current rack has technically overloaded it - some massively. I've never heard of ANYBODY having a problem since those early Euro bikes.
This is my modified Hepco Becker / Krause shield to accept the OEM Yamaha engine guards







As you can see, only the front attaches to the engine ... both rear supports are bolted to the frame.

The GIVI rear rack is quite strong but never load the top rear with too much weight



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Old 02-22-2012, 08:27 AM   #11241
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Bingo. So yes, the SW Motech bits may be deformed, but that's the whole idea. Better to spread the load and sacrifice specific pieces that can be bent back to shape later. The real issue that all these manufacturers are dealing with is that there is no actual frame piece close enough to move loads around the engine.

REAR RACK
Yes, the posted weight limit for the rear rack is really low. Yamaha has done the same lawyerly move on the FJR and other models, the weight is not restricted only on the Super Tenere. The very first Euro Teneres from 2010 had a slightly different design and the design was made stronger before the 2012 models came to the US. Nearly everybody using the current rack has technically overloaded it - some massively. I've never heard of ANYBODY having a problem since those early Euro bikes.
The rideonadv.com plate attaches to the frame (same spot as the ALTRider crashbars), and uses a sidestand crosspiece. Nothing attached to the engine or sump. Having had "deformation" issues and holed oil pan issues on my 800 GS using a Metal Mule plate, I am very partial to this set up.

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Old 02-22-2012, 10:50 AM   #11242
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...REAR RACK
Yes, the posted weight limit for the rear rack is really low. Yamaha has done the same lawyerly move on the FJR and other models, the weight is not restricted only on the Super Tenere. The very first Euro Teneres from 2010 had a slightly different design and the design was made stronger before the 2012 models came to the US. Nearly everybody using the current rack has technically overloaded it - some massively. I've never heard of ANYBODY having a problem since those early Euro bikes.
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Another Mama Yama liability CYA I'm sure. However, there are much stronger aftermarket racks availabe..Alt Rider being cream of the crop, IMO.

I kinda' figured the "underrating" thing. I guess that's the route that everyone is going. It just seemed crazy, to me, that Yami would build this "Hulk" of an adventure bike, and then have a rear rack that was useless.

Hell, I had a Super Enduro, for a bit. The subframe, on those things, is known for possibly being prone to failure. And, even they were rated at ~25 pounds.

Like a lotta' folks, I have been following this bike (S-10), and the related threads, for quite some time. When tremor38 mentioned the AltRider rack, it made me think of something that has been playing on my mind. Despite the fact that the S-10 doesn't share the price of the BMW, the accessories (for it) sure as heck have "Motorrad Accessories" price tags.

Thanks for the replies...


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Old 02-22-2012, 12:33 PM   #11243
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I'm considering modifying my Sw-motech plate, making the front removable for filter changes. Any thoughts?

I'm thinking if I make a panel that spans the front, it shouldn't lose much strength. Maybe channels on each side, so it drops on from the top and is retained with a bolt on each side.

Crazy?
Not crazy and with decent engineering, I wouldn't think the loss in strength would be a deal breaker, although it will lose strength. I'd recommend the filter removal panel be as small as possible.

It does seem like a hell of a lot of work to save five-minutes once or twice a year though. And are you sure you can drain the oil with the skid plate in place? (I have the SW-Motech but haven't yet changed oil with it on.) My experience with skid plates with oil draining holes is that they work so poorly and make such a mess, you end up taking the plate off anyway.

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Old 02-22-2012, 01:05 PM   #11244
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It does seem like a hell of a lot of work to save five-minutes once or twice a year though...

Once or twice a year???

You don't ride very much, do you?

I've changed my oil and filter 5 times in 6 months...

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Old 02-22-2012, 02:39 PM   #11245
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I kinda' figured the "underrating" thing. I guess that's the route that everyone is going. It just seemed crazy, to me, that Yami would build this "Hulk" of an adventure bike, and then have a rear rack that was useless.

Hell, I had a Super Enduro, for a bit. The subframe, on those things, is known for possibly being prone to failure. And, even they were rated at ~25 pounds.

Like a lotta' folks, I have been following this bike (S-10), and the related threads, for quite some time. When tremor38 mentioned the AltRider rack, it made me think of something that has been playing on my mind. Despite the fact that the S-10 doesn't share the price of the BMW, the accessories (for it) sure as heck have "Motorrad Accessories" price tags.

Thanks for the replies...


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Rack weight rating is probably more to tdo with avoiding averse impact on stability than issues with strength of the subframe or rack mount (exluding the 1st ed racks which were fixed under recall) I have an HB Xplorer topbox and it has a generic (non bike specific) max load of 10Kgs from memory.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:59 AM   #11246
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I kinda' figured the "underrating" thing. I guess that's the route that everyone is going. It just seemed crazy, to me, that Yami would build this "Hulk" of an adventure bike, and then have a rear rack that was useless.

Hell, I had a Super Enduro, for a bit. The subframe, on those things, is known for possibly being prone to failure. And, even they were rated at ~25 pounds.

Like a lotta' folks, I have been following this bike (S-10), and the related threads, for quite some time. When tremor38 mentioned the AltRider rack, it made me think of something that has been playing on my mind. Despite the fact that the S-10 doesn't share the price of the BMW, the accessories (for it) sure as heck have "Motorrad Accessories" price tags.

Thanks for the replies...


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I hear you on the accessories pricing. I wonder how much of that is because of the comparatively small market (small product runs?), and how much is because of the target buyer... If you want to survive as a business, you can only charge what the market will bear.

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Old 02-23-2012, 07:16 AM   #11247
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I'm sorry to detract from the skidplate discussion. And, I know this has probably been covered in the 11000+ posts. However...


Did I read the rear rack warning label correctly?...11 pounds (5kg) max?

What gives? Many quality topboxes weigh close to that...


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I wouldn't worry about it...


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Old 02-23-2012, 10:25 AM   #11248
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:02 PM   #11249
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Rear rack? I've put them on every bike I had(quite a few).Even dirt bikes & loaded them as much as I wanted to(big duffle bag full of camping & fishing gear,often) & never had a problem. Will do(& have done) the same with this Tenere. Works swell.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:57 PM   #11250
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