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Old 07-13-2012, 09:42 PM   #12976
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I don't wonder, it seems pretty plain that Yamaha took a street bike motor (and likely a chassis) and "adapted" it to a weak off road theme, AKA Super Tenere'.
No.
That picture is from Luca Bar who runs a website / company called Bar Design who did a photochop after a shaft drive patent filing was found, read about it here.

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New patents, revolving around the Tenere's shaft drive system, show it fitted to a faired road bike. Although these bare outlines show no detail, and may be there just as a generic representation of a motorcycle, it wouldn't be totally unimaginable for Yamaha to make such a machine.
The Tenere itself is marketed and clean sheet designed by YAMAHA itself as an all ROAD Adventure Tourer for the average person to take over many ROADS, good and bad, over long distances in reasonable comfort, who might occasionally find themselves dealing with crappy conditions. Very similar to the GS concept but more predictable on dirt ROADS / pea gravel. It is just as predictable in mud and sand. (It will probably be a handful and fall over)

They sell other bikes for MX work, trails etc. It was never meant to be a KTM because frankly there is already a KTM.

It's not exactly a GS/A because there is already a GS/A and it's not a WR400F, XT660Z or a Husaberg because they already exist. Nor is it a YZFR1 or a CBXGIXERRRRR.

The people who want to do a high percentage of off road spend the money accordingly to optimize the bike a bit more for that use and their personal preferences with their own selection of aftermarket / YAMAHA brand accessories.

Like this guy with new wheels / brakes / suspension / seat / bars / ECU reflash / ABS removed.



Where you got the idea it was a dirt bike from the factory maybe from the fact that it is a pretty friendly Adventure Tourer off road and people tend to explore the limits a bit.

A good example of what it was designed to be would from the factory be Nick Sanders trip and Davide Biga's RTW trip.

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Old 07-14-2012, 12:22 AM   #12977
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I don't wonder, it seems pretty plain that Yamaha took a street bike motor (and likely a chassis) and "adapted" it to a weak off road theme, AKA Super Tenere'. As a result you get a bike with crappy off road ergo's and terrible component placement. I would like to know more about the S10 development and how it came to be.
Did you see the videos I post in the Super Ténéré Forum? I think the ST off road skills are quite obvious in there. But is easier say the bike can’t instead the rider can’t.

I’ve got no idea what the development of this bike was, but if the engine could be in a road bike I don’t see the problem. You can see the KTM engine in road bikes but it works great in the Adventure for example.

Must be sad spend lot of money in a bike and then realize you don’t like it. I’m feeling sorry for you
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Old 07-14-2012, 12:25 AM   #12978
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Man, I've got plans for that thing if it makes it to production. I like that plate!
Hope in three weeks have the final prototype, so imagine in a month could be in production.
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Old 07-14-2012, 05:12 AM   #12979
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Suggestion for you, wfopete. Buy a KTM and be happy..then you can hang out at the KTM forums and complain about reliability and street performance.

As many times as it has been explained to you, you still don't understand the purpose of this bike and persist with trying to mentally force it into a 100% dirt machine category for some crazy reason that only you seem to understand.

This bike is an all-rounder which means there is compromise, yet it manages to have better off road performance than anything in its category accept for the KTM which is obviously a more dirt-biased machine. If you get some spare time, you might want to check out the wild dogs website where they took the Super Tenere off road in Zambia and its frame and suspension held up very well (better than the HP2's on the trip that broke their frames and couldn't finish)....or maybe the very positive review from Ryan Dudek...or you could just ignore all that, as you normally do, and continue to come to this forum to dump negative drivel about such piddley items as switch gear and other insignificant wanks that you choose to blow up to 300X their true size or importance.

Very interesting to note that we haven't had one documented instance of switch gear failure to date, don't you think? If you want tougher hand gaurds, they are available. My last bike was considered more dirt worthy than the XT1200Z, but only came with plastic brush guards with no rienforcement, so why would you expect something akin to Backbusters to come standard on the the S10?

Stop torturing yourself already, Pete. The next time you go out and are looking at the bike thinkin 'oh my god, the switch gear and hand guards!' just jump on the bike and ride it to the nearest KTM dealer where you can solve all of these 'shortcomings.'

I mean really...what is the point of owning a bike you don't like, then trying to convince satisfied owners to think the same way?
+10,000 Very satisfied with my S10!
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Old 07-14-2012, 06:16 AM   #12980
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Did you see the videos I post in the Super Ténéré Forum? I think the ST off road skills are quite obvious in there. But is easier say the bike can’t instead the rider can’t.
I've ridden my Tenere off road more in six months than I'd expected to in two years. I hadn't ridden a motorcycle in the dirt in nearly 25 years.

While my off-roading isn't even on the same planet as yours (fire roads, a bit of sand and gravel) it's nice to see what the bike CAN do in extreme conditions with the right pilot.

I'm having fun with my entry-level off-roading, and it's more fun in the street than I'd imagined it would be!


Any errors in spelling or syntax are because I posted this from a telephone - cut me some frikin' slack.
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Old 07-14-2012, 06:41 AM   #12981
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I think they started with a lot of drive line lash and worked backwards from there.
Pluric has the best sense of humor on the forum Love it

There is always someone with buyers remorse. Its easier to say what were they thinking instead of what was "I" thinking. Most all of us got exactly the bike we were looking for. Some did not. Graham gave a good description

The Tenere itself is marketed and clean sheet designed by YAMAHA itself as an all ROAD Adventure Tourer for the average person to take over many ROADS, good and bad, over long distances in reasonable comfort, who might occasionally find themselves dealing with crappy conditions. Very similar to the GS concept but more predictable on dirt ROADS / pea gravel. It is just as predictable in mud and sand. (It will probably be a handful and fall over

I think those of us that bought this bike with the definition Graham gave are the happiest with our choice. All Roads Adventure Tourer.
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Old 07-14-2012, 06:47 AM   #12982
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Pluric has the best sense of humor on the forum Love it

Hard to argue with that one! I wholeheartedly agree!


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I think those of us that bought this bike with the definition Graham gave are the happiest with our choice. All Roads Adventure Tourer.


Amen, Bruddah! Amen!

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Old 07-14-2012, 07:25 AM   #12983
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The problem here has nothing to do with the bike, (or any bike), it's simple really. Pete doesn't have enough money.

Many of us suffer from this problem. We can't justify or have the storage for, or simply pay for the dozen or so bikes that would each fill a perfect niche for every type of riding conditions we may want. A WR250R to unload on site and have awesome short day rides off road in NPs, the Gixxer 750 for those private runs on the tail of the dragon when you've paid to have the road closed so you don't have to worry about errant semis or other bikes in the way, the Aprilla Tuono for solo hooligan-esqe rides, the HD Ultra for the slow mosey with the SO on the back, the Ural Patrol 2WD for exploring that knarley track off the Cassier with your favorite dog & fishing gear in the hack since the SO wanted to shop for fudge instead of explore, etc. The bikes would change for each of us, but there's always something that's not quite right with any bike. That's why we personalize them, to make it suit our individual needs and tastes.

Nothing wrong with the occasional whine and moan about why did they do this? But at some point you either change it to work for you, or stfu and move on.
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Old 07-14-2012, 07:31 AM   #12984
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Nothing wrong with the occasional whine and moan about why did they do this? But at some point you either change it to work for you, or stfu and move on.

Can I have another Amen, Chil'ren!

Amen, Dirty Bike! Amen!

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Old 07-14-2012, 08:45 AM   #12985
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The Tenere itself is marketed and clean sheet designed by YAMAHA itself as an all ROAD Adventure Tourer for the average person to take over many ROADS, good and bad, over long distances in reasonable comfort, who might occasionally find themselves dealing with crappy conditions.
I love my Tenere, and use it for All ROADS:









Now, back to talking about those skid plates!
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:56 AM   #12986
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...Nothing wrong with the occasional whine and moan about why did they do this? But at some point you either change it to work for you, or stfu and move on.

I just wish I had one to whine and moan about...


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Old 07-14-2012, 10:59 AM   #12987
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I love my Tenere, and use it for All ROADS:









Now, back to talking about those skid plates!
Man, put some knobs on that thing!!!!!


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Old 07-14-2012, 11:22 AM   #12988
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I just wish I had one to whine and moan about...


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Get you one! I am having a blast on mine. It has made a great replacement for my KTM 990 for the type of riding I do here in Texas. I found that in the environment where the KTM was better than the Tenere I was still wanting a lighter more well suited bike. KTM was a great bike but Tenere works for me much better.
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Old 07-14-2012, 11:24 AM   #12989
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Man, put some knobs on that thing!!!!!
In due time! But yes, sooner rather than later (only 1000 or so miles left in these tires). But if I go knobs, then I really will need that skid plate. And if I do a skid plate I should do the crash bars.
And now my tire change just cost me a fricken thousand dollars.
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You really just need the bash plate, knock on wood, but I just got back from Alaska and no crash bars. The OEM bumpers work pretty well on pavement from some youtube videos. I am conservative offroad, well most of the time.
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